Parf Dogs

[Stone Message]

I wonder if they make a festool bib  [crying]

...only any good with green catsup !

I will bring some wet wipes to the D&M Show next year or get some other FOGgers to hose you down after every meal.

Peter

 

[sancho57]

I wonder if they make a festool bib  [crying]

...only any good with green catsup !

I will bring some wet wipes to the D&M Show next year or get some other FOGgers to hose you down after every meal.

Peter

Hehehehehehe can really see the stain huh? Isnt that a couple of the star wars characters?

 

[leer]

Hey bud you buying?? [big grin]  Nothing goes better then a cold beer and a hotdog with lots of catsup and mustard on it...

I like them so much, I take a little bit with with me to remind me how good it was.(hehehehehehehe)

At the risk of starting another war of words ...

Everyone knows hot dogs should NEVER have catsup on them.  It is mustard.  Relish and onions are permissable, and possibly a few other condiments.   [wink]

Now, to change the topic quickly ...

Peter, I got some Parf Dogs before Christmas from Lee Valley.  Absolutely fantastic.  Firt my custom MFT-style top perfectly. I used the Qwas Dogs for reference when milling, as my benchmark for fit.  The Parf Dogs were "spot on". (Isn't that the appropriate terminology for describing them?   [smile])

 

[RONWEN]

Hey bud you buying?? [big grin]  Nothing goes better then a cold beer and a hotdog with lots of catsup and mustard on it...

I like them so much, I take a little bit with with me to remind me how good it was.(hehehehehehehe)

At the risk of starting another war of words ...

Everyone knows hot dogs should NEVER have catsup on them.  It is mustard.  Relish and onions are permissable, and possibly a few other condiments.   [wink]

Now, to change the topic quickly ...

Peter, I got some Parf Dogs before Christmas from Lee Valley.  Absolutely fantastic.  Firt my custom MFT-style top perfectly. I used the Qwas Dogs for reference when milling, as my benchmark for fit.  The Parf Dogs were "spot on". (Isn't that the appropriate terminology for describing them?   [smile])

South of the Mason-Dixon line in the U.S. coleslaw & pickle is a very popular topping for dogs. 
http://www.foodnetwork.com/texas-dog/video/index.html

 

[Stone Message]

Now, to change the topic quickly ...

Peter, I got some Parf Dogs before Christmas from Lee Valley.  Absolutely fantastic.  Firt my custom MFT-style top perfectly. I used the Qwas Dogs for reference when milling, as my benchmark for fit.  The Parf Dogs were "spot on". (Isn't that the appropriate terminology for describing them?   [smile])

Excellent - I would love to see a photo of your setup.

Many thanks.

Peter

 

[leer]

Peter,
Here is my "MFT-XL" workbench.  I built this in October, before I'd read about the Parf Dogs.  Shown is an FS 1900 rail (and some green Qwas Dogs, if you look closely). I bought this guide rail before the track saw, knowing I need more length than the FS 1400 rail since I wanted the track saw to be able to cut down 4'x8' plywood sheets. Completion of the workbench project was self-imposed, before I rewarded myself with a TS 55 REQ.  Otherwise I figured I'd never build the workbench, instead focusing on other projects.  

The workbench measures 36"x84" (~915mm x 2135mm).  The MDF sheet was 4'x8' (actually most MDF here is sized one inch over the standard 48" x 96" size of plywood), but I needed a little less width and length to fit well in my shop.  I milled 20mm holes on 4" centers (even division into 36" and 84"). I built the workbench to also serve as the outfeed table for my table saw.  And I'm building a cart for my DeWalt planer that will roll up to this bench as an outfeed table.  Of course, I will use high quality locking casters (castors)!

Future additions will be a vise at the end opposite the table saw, and possibly wooden strips along the perimeter of the top with embedded T-Track.  I also want to add some cabinetry and/or drawers below the top.  

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[Stone Message]

Hi Lee,

The bench looks really well made and an excellent size - perfect for taking a complete 8x4 for breaking down. Putting castors on a few things in the shop does give a lot of flexibility.

I have made a new castor carriage for my Jet planer so that my mobile bench (900mm high) can act as an extension to the out-feed table for jointing.

Peter

 

[PreferrablyWood]

I've just ordered my MFT 3 and am looking to get some parf dogs to expand the system, under regular usage scenarios, how many and what types should I get? My first impluse is to get 4 parf and 2  bench dogs anything wrong with this logic? I'll be using the setup with my TS75, OF 1010, Carvex 420. Later a domino 700 and the OF 2020..

Regards

Wade

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Wade

You know that I have a vested interest but I have always advised people to go for 4 Veritas Parf Dogs and 2 of the associated Veritas threaded bench dogs.

For cutting wood on the MFT3 you can get away with a minimum of 2 x Parf and 2 x bench but...

I use my MFT3 or my mobile bench (with 20mm holes everywhere) to set up for Domino cuts. I have made what I call 'Parf Hats' that fit over the Parf Dogs and make a really useful system for reacting wood or friction gripping it during Domino work. You can make these up in minutes - see the picture below. I show them in use in a number of my videos. So having 3 or 4 Parf Hats in use can be very helpful.

Peter

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[PreferrablyWood]

Love the parf hats, and look forward to trying my new mft 3 with the parf dogs.  First thing to build a work bench with vise!

Thanks for the fast reply Peter..

2 pair of parf dogs and 1 pair of bench dogs it is then..

 

[PreferrablyWood]

After watching your video on the Parf dogs/bench dogs, I see I should get 2 pairs of each so I'm going to try and change my order.

I notice that you (Peter Parfitt) say in the video that with the dogs you don't really need the extra hardware on the full version of the MFT 3, and just to go with the basic, but I feel that at least for newbie's like me being introduced to the MFT 3 komplete gives added confidence when first getting to know the system. These new tools will doubtless lead me on to find new and more efficient ways of working. I have used my own improvised track system in the past, so what attracted me to the MFT 3 was the the guide rail setup with the mitre which I had envisioned would turn my TS 75 into a mitre saw with a very  wide cutting length very respectable 70mm cutting depth..

I'm sure the short rail guide the fence and the stop will be nice to use so those things alone add up to the difference in price between the MFT 3 and the MFT 3 basic..

I do like the your ideas of going for simplicity in setup. If you just want to take a few elements out when doing a few basic processes.

To sum up I'm really glad I went with the Parf Dogs, Bench dogs, which add a new dimension to Festools system  and am very  pleased they are available at a competitive price on this side of the pond!

 

[grbmds]

After watching your video on the Parf dogs/bench dogs, I see I should get 2 pairs of each so I'm going to try and change my order.

I notice that you (Peter Parfitt) say in the video that with the dogs you don't really need the extra hardware on the full version of the MFT 3, and just to go with the basic, but I feel that at least for newbie's like me being introduced to the MFT 3 komplete gives added confidence when first getting to know the system. These new tools will doubtless lead me on to find new and more efficient ways of working. I have used my own improvised track system in the past, so what attracted me to the MFT 3 was the the guide rail setup with the mitre which I had envisioned would turn my TS 75 into a mitre saw with a very  wide cutting length very respectable 70mm cutting depth..

I'm sure the short rail guide the fence and the stop will be nice to use so those things alone add up to the difference in price between the MFT 3 and the MFT 3 basic..

I do like the your ideas of going for simplicity in setup. If you just want to take a few elements out when doing a few basic processes.

To sum up I'm really glad I went with the Parf Dogs, Bench dogs, which add a new dimension to Festools system  and am very  pleased they are available at a competitive price on this side of the pond!

I use the fence and guide rail all the time on my MFT. I do use the dogs for various things, but find that using the MFT3 setup is a quick way to crosscut, miter cut and, with other third party accessories do some ripping also. The one drawback is that I find I need to square the rail to the fence periodically because I tend to bump it when I'm going past the table. I know others on FOG feel using various types of dogs and other accessories is better and they don't use the fence. It's really whatever works for you. If you already have the whole setup try it out and see.

 

[PreferrablyWood]

Thanks grbmds for your insight, it's much like I see it, use the mft 3 for the good it has to offer like relatively easy learning curve with the mitre cuts, clamping system. I feel for such a slick system it is portable, for me 50 pounds is pretty easy to heft around and I'f I need to I can make up a handtruck for moving it around. As far a bumping the track out of square I bought the parf dogs partially because of their usefulness with setting the square!

I think the MFT 3 will work for most of my projects, any additional process that it cannot handle I'll find solutions as they pop up. My first project will be to build a large sheet goods cutting table/wing on foldable sawhorses.. and smaller sturdier workstation table for clamping and sanding larger heavier projects..

 

[Stone Message]

After watching your video on the Parf dogs/bench dogs, I see I should get 2 pairs of each so I'm going to try and change my order.

I notice that you (Peter Parfitt) say in the video that with the dogs you don't really need the extra hardware on the full version of the MFT 3, and just to go with the basic, but I feel that at least for newbie's like me being introduced to the MFT 3 komplete gives added confidence when first getting to know the system. These new tools will doubtless lead me on to find new and more efficient ways of working. I have used my own improvised track system in the past, so what attracted me to the MFT 3 was the the guide rail setup with the mitre which I had envisioned would turn my TS 75 into a mitre saw with a very  wide cutting length very respectable 70mm cutting depth..

I'm sure the short rail guide the fence and the stop will be nice to use so those things alone add up to the difference in price between the MFT 3 and the MFT 3 basic..

I do like the your ideas of going for simplicity in setup. If you just want to take a few elements out when doing a few basic processes.

To sum up I'm really glad I went with the Parf Dogs, Bench dogs, which add a new dimension to Festools system  and am very  pleased they are available at a competitive price on this side of the pond!

I bought the complete MFT3 kit and do not regret it at all. Now that I have the sliding carriage with the CMS-OF I can use parts from the MFT3 kit there as well. So for that reason you will save money in the long run by buying the complete kit.

Peter

 

[PreferrablyWood]

Thanks for the input on the MFT 3 Peter, I was getting a pang of buyers remorse with the full MFT 3 after I heard your remarks, so needed to clarify my thinking. I've previously been interested in the CMS system for the router, so that's a good point you are making about the accesories being compatible there. Though I'm going to go with the Domino before the CMS table, as I feel the Domino offers a core function that I don't have available while the router can be used without the table for now. Perhaps I'll get the OF 2200 and CMS table package deal at some point...spring 2016 perhaps... The Domino will be next up, as soon a funds allow..

Regards

Wade

 

[Stone Message]

In case there are any Parf Dog users or potential users not aware of this...

The next "Parf" product is now on the street. It is the UJK Parf Guide System being made and marketed by Axminster Tools and Machinery and described in this FOG thread:
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/ujk-parf-guide-system-videos/

Peter

 

[VirtuaLogic]

I don't know if someone else has already brought this up, but after working for a couple of days with the tall Parf Dogs I have a couple of suggestions. When butting the guide rail against the Parf Dogs, if the stock is not thick enough, the TS55 interferes with the Parf dogs when plunged. This can be circumvented by putting a spacer in between the Parf dogs and the rail. However, a homemade spacer is not as accurate as the precision machined dogs. I thought of 2 solutions:

- A set of stainless steel rings, precision machined to fit over the Parf Dogs, to widen the base of the dogs while keeping the precision of the machined steel
- A set of Parf Dogs that are less tall

Or maybe a combination of the above; a set of less tall Parf Dogs with "integrated" extra wide base.

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,  Alex.

 

[Stone Message]

I don't know if someone else has already brought this up, but after working for a couple of days with the tall Parf Dogs I have a couple of suggestions. When butting the guide rail against the Parf Dogs, if the stock is not thick enough, the TS55 interferes with the Parf dogs when plunged. This can be circumvented by putting a spacer in between the Parf dogs and the rail. However, a homemade spacer is not as accurate as the precision machined dogs. I thought of 2 solutions:

- A set of stainless steel rings, precision machined to fit over the Parf Dogs, to widen the base of the dogs while keeping the precision of the machined steel
- A set of Parf Dogs that are less tall

Or maybe a combination of the above; a set of less tall Parf Dogs with "integrated" extra wide base.

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,  Alex.

Hi Alex,

On my track saw cutting station I have the top (furthest away from me) Parf Dog in the hole furthest from me and the lower bench dogs in the next line of holes. That way there is no chance of interference and it can be done now without any need for spacers or new products.

Even when using the Parf Dogs in the same row as the lower dogs the interference issue does not happen very often.

Many thanks for the ideas though.

Cheers.

Peter

 

[VirtuaLogic]

Hi Peter,

I get the interference all the time, because my cutting station is only about 60cm deep.

I've found the interference to be there when cutting thin stock like sheet plywood. And I've also found a solution: flip the lower Parf dog over and insert the long end into the table. The other, shorter end is the same diameter as the long end and works perfectly to butt the guide rail to with no interference.

Another solution would be to rotate the working orientation 90 degrees. This allows for more space between the lower do and te work piece.

Cheers,  Alex

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Peter,

I get the interference all the time, because my cutting station is only about 60cm deep.

I've found the interference to be there when cutting thin stock like sheet plywood. And I've also found a solution: flip the lower Parf dog over and insert the long end into the table. The other, shorter end is the same diameter as the long end and works perfectly to butt the guide rail to with no interference.

Another solution would be to rotate the working orientation 90 degrees. This allows for more space between the lower do and te work piece.

Cheers,  Alex

Hi Alex [member=12447]VirtuaLogic[/member]

I have produce an extra hole just beyond my top row and this is another way around the problem. If people are cutting stock then most of the time they can have the top most tall Parf Dog set one row "higher" than the row of small Parf Dogs against which the wood is pushed. This eliminates the problem completely.

Cheers.

Peter