Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions

Is anyone aware of a link to a good overview covering the differences between the original version and the Mark II? I can’t seem to find anything providing a straight answer as to what exactly changed.
 
ben_r_ said:
Is anyone aware of a link to a good overview covering the differences between the original version and the Mark II? I can’t seem to find anything providing a straight answer as to what exactly changed.

[member=58821]ben_r_[/member]  you make a good point. This is some thing we could/should/have thought of ourselves.

We will put this together and post it here as well as up on our product page.
For now: the biggest difference is the use of a Mark 2 drill bushing/fixture for drilling the 3mm pilot holes instead of the 3mm drill bit using the original Parf Stick - eventually after many holes enlarging the parf stick holes slightly.

On the Mark 2 the Parf Stick holes are 6mm to accommodate the locating projection on the drill bushing fixture. The drill bit does not touch the Parf Stick

The Parf Stick on the Mark 2 also adds a 32 and 48 mm hole spacing provision. We will put up the User Guide for the Mark 2 - thanks to your question I discovered that we have the "Original" user guide on the product page for both version.

FWIW: We expect a substantial price increase for the Mark 2 coming this fall.

Hans
 
TSO Products said:
ben_r_ said:
Is anyone aware of a link to a good overview covering the differences between the original version and the Mark II? I can’t seem to find anything providing a straight answer as to what exactly changed.

[member=58821]ben_r_[/member]  you make a good point. This is some thing we could/should/have thought of ourselves.

We will put this together and post it here as well as up on our product page.
For now: the biggest difference is the use of a Mark 2 drill bushing/fixture for drilling the 3mm pilot holes instead of the 3mm drill bit using the original Parf Stick - eventually after many holes enlarging the parf stick holes slightly.

On the Mark 2 the Parf Stick holes are 6mm to accommodate the locating projection on the drill bushing fixture. The drill bit does not touch the Parf Stick

The Parf Stick on the Mark 2 also adds a 32 and 48 mm hole spacing provision. We will put up the User Guide for the Mark 2 - thanks to your question I discovered that we have the "Original" user guide on the product page for both version.

FWIW: We expect a substantial price increase for the Mark 2 coming this fall.

Hans

Glad I ordered mine this week - phew!
 
TSO Products said:
ben_r_ said:
Is anyone aware of a link to a good overview covering the differences between the original version and the Mark II? I can’t seem to find anything providing a straight answer as to what exactly changed.

[member=58821]ben_r_[/member]  you make a good point. This is some thing we could/should/have thought of ourselves.

We will put this together and post it here as well as up on our product page.
For now: the biggest difference is the use of a Mark 2 drill bushing/fixture for drilling the 3mm pilot holes instead of the 3mm drill bit using the original Parf Stick - eventually after many holes enlarging the parf stick holes slightly.

On the Mark 2 the Parf Stick holes are 6mm to accommodate the locating projection on the drill bushing fixture. The drill bit does not touch the Parf Stick

The Parf Stick on the Mark 2 also adds a 32 and 48 mm hole spacing provision. We will put up the User Guide for the Mark 2 - thanks to your question I discovered that we have the "Original" user guide on the product page for both version.

FWIW: We expect a substantial price increase for the Mark 2 coming this fall.

Hans
Got it. Thanks Hans!

Also, whats the deal with the dust collection adapter? Is that available in the US now?

EDIT: Nevermind, found it! LINK
 

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to all:
the Parf Dust Port is a must. For the money it is a really well designed essential accessory. Axminster invested some real money in injection mold tooling to make this snap on and STAY PUT!

MDF creates shavings that will bind up the cutter if you are not using effective dust extraction

Hans
 
I can only echo what Hans said. I have sometimes, when in a rush on site, excluded the dust port, and there was a noticeable difference. There was some clogging, and as a consequence more heat produced than usual.
I always use the port now, it’s so quick and easy to fit, there’s no excuse not too.
 
I clamped a small quick-grip to the end of my hose for some weight and just sat it up against the 20mm fixture. Worked fine to collect debris. Still gotta watch for the wafer that sticks to the special bit tho.
 
Hi All,

First time poster here...

I have recently received, after much excitement, the Parf Guide System II and have just tried to use it this morning. And I think I might have a problem?? And wanted to see if it was just me??!!

My question is, how tight should the actual holes be on the parf sticks?

It seems to me like there is a bit of 'play' or 'slop' in the parf stick holes that I have. With the pins securely in, I am able to move the sticks… only a small amount but enough for me to be concerned about the accuracy of what is believe is a highly accurate system. This concern becomes greater when I go to do the right angle where the two sticks intersect and meet up, there is double the ‘play’ there given that errors are starting to build up and this creates movement in the ruler of just under a millimetre... and that is where I stopped before going any further.

So, I measured the parf stick hole diameters and they all seem to be coming in at around 6.17 mm (using callipers). When I then measure the locator pins and drill guides etc they pretty much come in on or very close to 6.00mm (using the same calipers). Everything else seems highly accurate and really well made, which leads me to think that the 0.17mm variance in all the holes is a fault??

I’ve attached some photos to hopefully show what might be going on.

I’ve seen Peter’s videos and lots of comments about the system being rock solid and there being no play at all, but to me my parf sticks are sloppy.

I've already reached out to Axminster but they seem to be a bit slow on getting back at the moment, so I though I would see if this is normal or not from you guys. Just for the record, the sticks I have are the printed type.

Thanks!
 

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[member=71087]wozzman[/member]  [welcome] to the FOG

I have the original and the pins were EXTREMELY tight, a pain to remove at the beginning. I would assume the same with the Mark II, but Peter or Hans can answer this better then me.

[member=58821]ben_r_[/member]  [member=59331]TSO Products[/member]

Here is what you are looking about comparison between the original and Mark II

Guess who did it  [tongue]
MarkII
 
I have been using my recently rec'd MKII set for a table with several panels, used it again last night even.  I notice no perceptible play between the mating parts.  The largest grid I have made so far is 9X16 and I had no issues with any of the holes lining up properly with the Parf rules.  Do you also see this with the 3mm locator pins?
 
ChiknNutz said:
I have been using my recently rec'd MKII set for a table with several panels, used it again last night even.  I notice no perceptible play between the mating parts.  The largest grid I have made so far is 9X16 and I had no issues with any of the holes lining up properly with the Park rules.  Do you also see this with the 3mm locator pins?

The 3mm pins locate perfectly into the drilled hole. ZERO play, nice very firm fit. The 6mm guide that slots into the parf stick to drill the 3mm hole is almost exactly 6mm. Again, extremely well made. But the holes in the stick itself are, as I mentioned earlier, approx 6.17mm. I will say, although the holes are 6.17mm they are ALL 6.17mm or thereabouts making whatever happened consistent across the two sticks I have... strange.

As an update, Axminster replied earlier and they have said that the tolerances should be somewhere between 6.01-6.04mm, which is what I would have expected. So will be sending them in for an investigation and new ones coming out. Appreciate them sorting that out.
 
ChiknNutz said:
I have been using my recently rec'd MKII set for a table with several panels, used it again last night even.  I notice no perceptible play between the mating parts.  The largest grid I have made so far is 9X16 and I had no issues with any of the holes lining up properly with the Park rules.  Do you also see this with the 3mm locator pins?

Getting straight lines of holes? That’s good to hear. Have you had a chance to line up a track saw cut with dogs yet?

Neither of my first two sets of sticks were loose at all. Very tight hold with 3mm pins.

I have a third set of sticks coming in the mail now. Axminster says these were checked and tested. Also included a new pair of 3mm drill guides for some reason. Hopefully they aren’t having a new issue.
 
Just as of last night I just finished drill all holes, cutting all parts to size and also have begun assembly.  As such, I have not yet been able to test it all out yet.

What is the issue with you having three sets of rules/sticks?
 
ChiknNutz said:
Just as of last night I just finished drill all holes, cutting all parts to size and also have begun assembly.  As such, I have not yet been able to test it all out yet.

What is the issue with you having three sets of rules/sticks?

I checked in at post #196 of this thread with my first set of problems.
 
While I have not yet begun to use the table, it seems to me if there were issues with the hole spacing, I would have long discovered them by now.  I have made 5 separate surfaces with 20mm holes, ranging from 2 rows & 7 columns up to 9 rows & 16 columns.  I have used both sticks interchangeably and in no particular orientation.  If something were off, either the sticks or the drill jig would have highlighted the inaccuracy during the process.
 
I will state for the record that while almost all of the kit is superb, the edges of the holes in the Parf Sticks do leave a bit to be desired.  I don't have a picture of them, but can confirm they do look similar to what you posted earlier, though not the extent.  However, the thru holes are true and properly in line and the imperfections noted do not seem to affect the accuracy of the product.
 
[member=64379]ChiknNutz[/member] I would be curious to hear with your completed tables, if you insert 3 dogs along a row of holes and place a known accurate straight edge across them (testing from both sides of the dogs), whether you notice any discernible "rock" in the straight edge whilst moving the centre dog to various holes in between the end dogs. Test various rows and columns.
 
Solly1 said:
[member=64379]ChiknNutz[/member] I would be curious to hear with your completed tables, if you insert 3 dogs along a row of holes and place a known accurate straight edge across them (testing from both sides of the dogs), whether you notice any discernible "rock" in the straight edge whilst moving the centre dog to various holes in between the end dogs. Test various rows and columns.

I did as you asked and did not see any noticeable deviation in the linear hole relationship. I tried this in rows and columns as well as diagonally in various positions.
 
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