Pneumatic hose reel in a systainer

[live4ever]

Retractable air hose reels are the bane of my storage existence.  Something in a systainer footprint would be most welcome. 

Most retractable reels in the 50’ range are of similar size to systainers, though the ones I have are slightly larger…anyone manage to cobble something like this together?  My JC10 serves as a bottom of a systainer stack.  Sure would be nice for the cord reel to play nice.  [tongue]

 

[jeh]

The only retractable and portable, not in a Systainer though, is no longer available. I have one and it is amazing. I spoke to the designer of it and mentioned it would be good to have this in a systainer in addition to the standalone case that it came in. Unfortunately he passed after a lifetime of inventing. I am in the process of repairing mine because it is irreplaceable. The retraction is manual which I think was to keep it light and compact.

Looking at some of the wall mount reels it certainly might be possible to remove the outside casing and place the mechanism in a systainer.

 

[guybo]

Hi, not mine but heres one, a couple computer table top ports to clean it up.

 

[live4ever]

Hi, not mine but heres one, a couple computer table top ports to clean it up.

Nice - they found one that fits, though I have no idea on that brand.  If I can find one that fits I agree, easy enough after that…

 

[Packard]

Not to pull the rug out from under this thread, but a recoil hose seems to solve my portability requirements.

But note, I am not endorsing the hose in the video.  I only posted it to show how well they work.  And my personal experience is that they seem to last a couple of years and then develop a leak near the fittings.

But they are cheap and delightfully light and recoil into a very small package.  Push them into a pair of sweat socks and toss it into your Systainer, if that is your preferred carry case.

Or fabricate a case out of a 4” diameter exhaust hose.

 

[jeh]

Not to pull the rug out from under this thread, but a recoil hose seems to solve my portability requirements.

But note, I am not endorsing the hose in the video.  I only posted it to show how well they work.  And my personal experience is that they seem to last a couple of years and then develop a leak near the fittings.

But they are cheap and delightfully light and recoil into a very small package.  Push them into a pair of sweat socks and toss it into your Systainer, if that is your preferred carry case.

Or fabricate a case out of a 4” diameter exhaust hose.

No rug pulled. Th recoil air hose is a barely acceptable solution as it finds a way to get tangled up no matter how careful you are with it. I'll give it to you that it works but there is not even a remote comparison between a retractible air hose and recoil hose other than they carry air.

 

[Sparktrician]

Hi, not mine but heres one, a couple computer table top ports to clean it up.

Nice - they found one that fits, though I have no idea on that brand.  If I can find one that fits I agree, easy enough after that…

Here's one from Harbor Fright.  No clue as to whether it will fit in a Systainer.

 

[Cheese]

Here's my  [2cents]. 

I think this should fit in a SYS³ L 237 Systainer.

It's a Goodyear model# TRI-27527153G with 3/8" x 50' long hose.

[attachimg=1]
https://www.northerntool.com/produc...hose-length-50-ft-model-tri-27527153g-6099208

 

[Vondawg]

Nice job there [member=44099]Cheese[/member] that looks like the solution

 

[live4ever]

Here's my  [2cents]. 

I think this should fit in a SYS³ L 237 Systainer.

It's a Goodyear model# TRI-27527153G with 3/8" x 50' long hose.

[attachimg=1]
https://www.northerntool.com/produc...hose-length-50-ft-model-tri-27527153g-6099208

Dang Cheese, that’s quite a find for a 3/8” x 50’ if those dimensions are accurate.  A 237 or Sys4 would be far more preferable than a 337/5, so hopefully that vertical dimension is real.  Going horizontal and using a 187 or Sys2/3 would be the ultimate, but no way to do that without trying to transplant the guts of one of these…which I still may attempt at some point. 

 

[Packard]

Here's my  [2cents]. 

I think this should fit in a SYS³ L 237 Systainer.

It's a Goodyear model# TRI-27527153G with 3/8" x 50' long hose.

[attachimg=1]
https://www.northerntool.com/produc...hose-length-50-ft-model-tri-27527153g-6099208

That looks like the same type of hose that they use on the pig tail style recoil hose.

I never had much frustration because of tangling, my issue was the hose developed leaks fairly quickly.  That was OK when it was a $12.00 hose, but I suspect that the Goodyear hose pictured above cost more than that.

I tried two ways to store the hose.  The first, which worked better was to slip it over a pvc pipe about the size if the I.D. Of the coil.

The second was to slip it in a short length of dust collection.

Neither seemed worthwhile to me.

 

[jeh]

I think that hose is more than you want to struggle with.

 

[Cheese]

I have several of the Coilhose hoses...they work well but they are a PITA to keep coiled properly. On another note the ID is so small that using the hose for anything other than pin nailers or brad nailers is really not an option. For framing nailers...good luck, you'll have to wait several seconds before you can fire multiple fasteners.

For use with high speed die grinders, they limit the amount of incoming CFM, cause the tool to stall out and therefore limit the amount of usefulness of the tool.

This whole discussion is not unlike using 12 ga electrical extension cords vs 16 ga extension cords. Both will power up the tool but the 12 ga will do a far better job ad infinitum. The dollar difference is minimal while the efficiency difference is huge...

Sometimes you just need to suck it up.

 

[live4ever]

So prior to jumping on that Goodyear Cheese linked, I freed up a Sys5 and lo and behold, my Flexzilla 3/8 x 50’ reel fit, just barely!  Not the most space-efficient compared to a more compact reel and Sys4, but this is free. 

Now to figure out best ways to cut systainer sides…

 

[Cheese]

So prior to jumping on that Goodyear Cheese linked, I freed up a Sys5 and lo and behold, my Flexzilla 3/8 x 50’ reel fit, just barely!  Not the most space-efficient compared to a more compact reel and Sys4, but this is free. 

Now to figure out best ways to cut systainer sides

Can't beat the price... [big grin]

I'd start with a Vecturo style tool and see how that goes.

 

[live4ever]

So prior to jumping on that Goodyear Cheese linked, I freed up a Sys5 and lo and behold, my Flexzilla 3/8 x 50’ reel fit, just barely!  Not the most space-efficient compared to a more compact reel and Sys4, but this is free. 

Now to figure out best ways to cut systainer sides…

Can't beat the price... [big grin]

I'd start with a Vecturo style tool and see how that goes.

Seems reasonable…was going to try and get away with 2 1” holes via Forstner, as per Seth in this thread:https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-and-tanos-systainers/cutting-holes/

Then some petal grommets and Bob’s yer uncle.  Could make one of the holes (for the tool-end hose) more of a U right under the lid, but a hole should work fine too as I anticipate being ok with the retaining doohickey and a bit of hose dangling out the side at all times.

 

[Packard]

I have several of the Coilhose hoses...they work well but they are a PITA to keep coiled properly. On another note the ID is so small that using the hose for anything other than pin nailers or brad nailers is really not an option. For framing nailers...good luck, you'll have to wait several seconds before you can fire multiple fasteners.

For use with high speed die grinders, they limit the amount of incoming CFM, cause the tool to stall out and therefore limit the amount of usefulness of the tool.

This whole discussion is not unlike using 12 ga electrical extension cords vs 16 ga extension cords. Both will power up the tool but the 12 ga will do a far better job ad infinitum. The dollar difference is minimal while the efficiency difference is huge...

Sometimes you just need to suck it up.

I mostly used the coil hose for my palm nailer when working above my head on my deck.  This preceded structural screws, and nails that were stressed in shear needed to be of a larger diameter than could be shot with a nail gun. 

The light weight coiled hose was a godsend. 

The palm nailer drew air at the limits of my pancake compressor, but had a chance to catchup when one nail was driven and and then I had to reach for another.  So that worked. 

From my observation, most on-site compressors are low capacity.  And if it is not on-site, then conventional hose is easily accommodated.

 

[Mini Me]

It is not the compressor capacity that is the problem with coiled hoses it is the internal capacity of the 1/4" hose that simply can't flow enough air to keep up. Put  3/8" line on it and the wait time for air will disappear.

 

[squall_line]

So prior to jumping on that Goodyear Cheese linked, I freed up a Sys5 and lo and behold, my Flexzilla 3/8 x 50’ reel fit, just barely!  Not the most space-efficient compared to a more compact reel and Sys4, but this is free. 

Now to figure out best ways to cut systainer sides…

Flexzilla is headquartered not far from me; I used to go to church with the owner's grandson.  I should take a couple of systainers over to their offices and see what's what...

 

[live4ever]

So prior to jumping on that Goodyear Cheese linked, I freed up a Sys5 and lo and behold, my Flexzilla 3/8 x 50’ reel fit, just barely!  Not the most space-efficient compared to a more compact reel and Sys4, but this is free. 

Now to figure out best ways to cut systainer sides…

Flexzilla is headquartered not far from me; I used to go to church with the owner's grandson.  I should take a couple of systainers over to their offices and see what's what...

That would be going above and beyond, but if you’re family, why not?  [tongue]

Pretty sure everyone uses a similar mechanism/case to house the reels, but maybe they’d have some thoughts about cramming the retraction mechanism horizontally into a 187 or so.  Their bare reel with autoretraction sells for a bit over $100.  Would be a pretty sweet product with the reel built into a systainer and priced around $150-175.