Portable generator to power small workshop?

Toolpig

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Hey, guys --

I've been fortunate enough to be in a rental house for the past couple of years with a 60-amp sub panel in the garage, so powering all of my woodworking tools & machines hasn't been a problem. However, my landlord is kicking us out (selling the house), so I need to find another rental house with a garage pretty quickly.

I live in the Los Angeles area, where most houses have "detached" garages with little or no electrical running to them. So, I'm thinking about installing a small panel in the garage and powering it with a portable generator. Some of my machines (jointer, table saw, dust collector) run on 220-volts and I'll likely need to power a window AC unit, too.

Any of you guys power your shops with portable generators? If so, what size did you get? Other than it being noisy and having to constantly refill the gas tank, are there any problems with this type of setup?

- Jason
 
Not sure with regard to shop use but I would recommend a Duromax XP10000 Watt generator converted to Tri-fuel so you do not need to store gas, but use propane instead. Has a 50amp outlet and should be more than sufficient to run any tools. Mine is running my house (important stuff) in case we have an outage in the north east. There is a version that is already Tri-fuel capable. Different name. Remember good venting! Malte
 
I'm no expert, but I imagine you're looking for a 10-15kW generator.  Although the running load is probably within the capability of a 7.5-8kW unit, the start up loads may cause some trouble with the smaller units.  You've got 3 devices that will each pull a high start up load.  The issue is the 10-15kW units involve a big jump in price (you're around $2K).  Fuel consumption goes up quite a bit as well.  Depending on your usage, plan on changing the oil frequently.  Noise will drive the neighbors crazy as well.  So even though you may not mind it, others might be able to put a stop to it. 
 
I guess it depends on the situation, but if you have utility power on the property already, you're probably better off extending that.   Generators aren't cheap and then they get more expensive the bigger and more hours you expect to run them.   Then you pay for fuel, oil, filters, and upkeep in perpetuity.  If you have free fuel, that changes the equation, but just make sure you check your math :)
 
RKA.  Good point:  Noise.  That's another big thing.  There are things you can do to mitigate that but it increases your expenses as well as possibly increases risk. 
 
As a builder I have to use a generator in remote areas or waiting for the power co. to run elec. to the new site. I absolutely would avoid using a generator due to the expense, safety, noise and hassle. I no nothing about the area but renting a place with power seems easier and maybe less expensive.

Walt
 
Honda's generators are the quietest and most dependable.  You can actually stand next to one and have a conversation.
 
rst said:
Honda's generators are the quietest and most dependable.  You can actually stand next to one and have a conversation.

And they have a price tag that will cause a heart attack!  [jawdrop]  They are good, though. 

 
Hi,

I think finding a rental as suggested with power would be the best option but second best also as suggested might be to pull a line from the house to feed a sub-panel in the garage. If you are going to be in the location for any amount of time the convenience and cost savings etc. would be worth it.

Gerry 
 
Fuel cost will become excruciating in short order.  Noise will follow that rather quickly.  I would only consider a generator for short term/temporary power as I was waiting for electric service to be established.
 
rst said:
Honda's generators are the quietest and most dependable.  You can actually stand next to one and have a conversation.

Yeah, but even the big daddy is only 5500 watts (7000 surge) which will likely be brought to it's knees by the things he intends to power.  That generator is $3K and it's not even the quiet one.  The quiet one is 5500 watts (6500 surge) and it's $4500! 

None of my Honda power equipment has given me a lick of trouble (2 suitcase generators and 2 snowblowers).  But when you need something with some grunt, it just gets too pricey. 
 
I would also run power.  Generators are just to noisy to be running for long periods in my opinion.  If garages in your area aren't that common, I would have to think that a landlord wouldn't mind you running service, in the future he could view that as a potential selling point to his property. 
 
Speaking as someone who's had to use genny's for all sorts of things, I wouldn't suggest it for home use.  I would most definitely try to find a rental with sufficient electrical capacity.  

However, if you "have" to use a genset, I would suggest a low-rpm diesel.  Most gas-powered generators spin at 3600 rpm, there are diesels available that stick to 1800 rpm.  Takes a little more HP per kw than a similar gas genny, but they last loads longer, and I generally find them to be quieter.  Another issue to deal with when using gensets is the condition of the power being output.  Depending on what you are trying to use off the genset, you might need current conditioners.  I know for a fact that items with VFD's can have issues with "dirty" power.  I believe most current production gensets have fairly decent voltage regulation nowadays, but the closer you get to capacity, the more likely it will be to get out of spec.  

There's also the issue of the duty cycle of the genset you choose.  Some systems aren't designed to run full-bore for days on end.  Contractor friend of mine keeps playing genset roulette with a discount tool store.  Nice gensets, work fine for the occasional thing here and there, even a week of use every so often.  However, after 4-6 months of near-constant use, there are usually problems developing.  His parents, on the other hand, are serious RV'ers and have an Onan quiet diesel in their RV that's going on 12 years of use.

I'm not too familiar with Honda gennys, outside of the little suitcase sets like the 2000i.  Nice small genset and it produces clean power.  That being said, it's way too small, even with the partnering cable and two of them.  

For genny's under 20kw, I'm a big fan of Onan, which is now part of Cummins Commercial.  Over 20kw, Cat, Cummins, Perkins, Generac... they're all good.  Some nice Kubotas as well.  

I think the biggest question is what sort of use are we talking about?  Daily use, couple days a week, couple days a month?  Then, on the days of use, what level of use are we talking about?  Assuming the DuroMax at 75% load, you'd be going through 12 gallons of gas in a day.  Push it up to 100% and we're talking 16 gallons daily.  Not insurmountable, but it adds up.

Speaking of adding up, time for some Fuzzy math.  Assume 100% use, $1200ish(you've got to buy CARB compliant, adds a few bucks over the standard model) spent on the aforementioned duromax.  Assume the worst, only a year or two use out of it.  One day a week, that's 64 gallons of gas a month.  Not sure of gas price there, but here its' $3.639 right now, so $232.90 a month for gas.  Amortize the genny; 12 months = $100 per mo, so we're up to $332.90 added expense monthly.  Of course, these figures might vary for your actual usage, and I'm being pessimistic by assuming the genset is only going to survive a year or so.

I haven't really even touched on noise factor, but even a quiet generator makes a lot of noise.  On par with a quiet lawnmower.  We all hear lawnmowers in the summer, but for 8-10 hours straight?  Going to have neighbor issues if you don't buy/build an enclosure or have quite a bit of space between you and the neighbors.

So after all that yakkin,
the TL;DR sums up to this.  

Would you rather spend a couple hundred a month on fuel and the generator or just put that couple hundred into the rent budget and get a place that works from the start?  

Heck, if you find places that work, but just don't have the electrical, as long as the house has decent electrical service, having a sub-panel run to the garage should run less than the cost of the generator.  Might be a desirable thing to the landlord as well.  They might do the upgrade and figure it in on rent(I know I would, if it let me charge $650 a month instead of $600 and they were signing a 2 year lease, per se, that means I'd want the cost to be around $800 to me, for that $1200 increase in rent.).  Other landlords would let you have the upgrade done, as long as it was done to code, possibly making you use their preferred contractor, etc.  Some won't, but I guess you wouldn't want to continue talking to them anyway.  
 
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