Pricing Baseboard installs

dinkjs

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So I have done about 10 free baseboard installs for neighbors and friends and it is about time to start charging.  All the projects have been simple installs with no real headaches.  Generally they are just rooms they have repainted or redone totally.  But now I feel I should start getting some type of financial assistance from these installs I have done.  I really don't know what to charge them in realistic terms.  I guess I could give them the "friend" price but I think I am hurting myself more by doing this.  So with you Finish Carpenters that do baseboard installs on a simple room, lets say a 10 x 8 room with a two doors and that is it.  What generally do you charge for labor only?  At this time I really only want to know for baseboards that are the pre-primered type and not the stain quality type.  Any suggestions on this?  I do know the more knowledgable and experienced prices vary.  But as a DiY guy that is starting to get some "jobs" I really know where to price these "simple" jobs at.

Thanks a whole bunch.
 
i would start wil a rough day rate in your heasd. lets say 80 euro (100 dollars maybe)  when you see the job you will know how long it will take  roughly. take that percentage of the day and multiply by the day rate , then add  a bit for fuel and wear on saw blades ect and enough to cover  any thing you have to supply.
all these jobs vary in speed. sometimes the base of the wall is cocking out and twisting the baseboard out of plumb. i usually (when i remember) check for that and price accordingly.
but always remember that the customer loves to hear that the job went faster than expected and that you dont want as much. they hate when you ask for more
 
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but; if you intend on charging for this work you had better treat it as a business and price accordingly.  That includes consideration for any licenses, taxes, and especially insurance.  Lets say you are using your handy finish nailer and drive a nail into a water line causing a leak that results in damage.  Or say you drive it into an electrical line and cause a fire.  I doubt your customer would be so forgiving of your good rates if you burned their house down or caused a flood.  Remember - no good deed goes unpunished. 
 
As mentioned above by Steve you can EASILY hit pipes I have hit a few pipes since I have been a joiner/carpenter.   All  mine have always been the plumbers fault though not mine for putting pipes in stupid places where they shouldnt.  

Not sure what you do  is this going to become your job?!   Just doing baseboard seems very limited.

10ft by 8ft is a small room   assuming you would be doing architrave as well seen as ur doing the base board.    You can easily do a square room 10ft by 8ft with two doors in half a day  on carpet and wooden floor.   Tiled floor will take a little longer as it often requires more scribing to the floor.

Even with a fire place to baseboard round can easily be done in half a day in normal situations.

Just some example of things which will often slow you down.

1. removing the existing baseboard/architrave

2. bad walls  like......
having a big bow in the wall or it just dips away which requires you to screw the baseboard to pull it in.  
No flat wall because plaster all came off when ripping old baseboard off
Plumbers have 2 or 3 pipes running along where your baseboard goes  (call the plumbers up and call them every name under the sun)
Plumbers again... They bring pipes out at baseboard level so you have to join your baseboard either side of the pipe or notch your baseboard.
Plasters leave a load of plaster at the bottom which you then have to scrape off before you can even start.

3. Clients leave furniture in the room which you then have to keep moving to work around

4. not able to work near the job because not enough room or fear of creating mess inside (festool does come in handy for these kinda jobs with dust extraction)

Just a few things top of my head there are many more! Like if the baseboard was cupped that makes it more awkward to fit

Even if I did the job in less than half a day I still charge full day.   Either that or I dont do the job simples. I could be on my other jobs doing full days thats how I see it.  

JMB
 
jmbfestool said:
As mentioned above by Steve you can EASILY hit pipes I have hit a few pipes since I have been a joiner/carpenter.   All  mine have always been the plumbers fault though not mine for putting pipes in stupid places where they shouldnt.  

Not sure what you do  is this going to become your job?!   Just doing baseboard seems very limited.

10ft by 8ft is a small room   assuming you would be doing architrave as well seen as ur doing the base board.    You can easily do a square room 10ft by 8ft with two doors in half a day  on carpet and wooden floor.   Tiled floor will take a little longer as it often requires more scribing to the floor.

Even with a fire place to baseboard round can easily be done in half a day in normal situations.

Just some example of things which will often slow you down.

1. removing the existing baseboard/architrave

2. bad walls  like......
having a big bow in the wall or it just dips away which requires you to screw the baseboard to pull it in.  
No flat wall because plaster all came off when ripping old baseboard off
Plumbers have 2 or 3 pipes running along where your baseboard goes  (call the plumbers up and call them every name under the sun)
Plumbers again... They bring pipes out at baseboard level so you have to join your baseboard either side of the pipe or notch your baseboard.
Plasters leave a load of plaster at the bottom which you then have to scrape off before you can even start.

3. Clients leave furniture in the room which you then have to keep moving to work around

4. not able to work near the job because not enough room or fear of creating mess inside (festool does come in handy for these kinda jobs with dust extraction)

Just a few things top of my head there are many more! Like if the baseboard was cupped that makes it more awkward to fit

Even if I did the job in less than half a day I still charge full day.   Either that or I dont do the job simples. I could be on my other jobs doing full days thats how I see it.  

JMB

Well on a very basic 8 x 10 room with no frills and installing just baseboards....what is a general price for a full day?
 
dinkjs said:
jmbfestool said:
As mentioned above by Steve you can EASILY hit pipes I have hit a few pipes since I have been a joiner/carpenter.   All  mine have always been the plumbers fault though not mine for putting pipes in stupid places where they shouldnt.  

Not sure what you do  is this going to become your job?!   Just doing baseboard seems very limited.

10ft by 8ft is a small room   assuming you would be doing architrave as well seen as ur doing the base board.    You can easily do a square room 10ft by 8ft with two doors in half a day  on carpet and wooden floor.   Tiled floor will take a little longer as it often requires more scribing to the floor.

Even with a fire place to baseboard round can easily be done in half a day in normal situations.

Just some example of things which will often slow you down.

1. removing the existing baseboard/architrave

2. bad walls  like......
having a big bow in the wall or it just dips away which requires you to screw the baseboard to pull it in.  
No flat wall because plaster all came off when ripping old baseboard off
Plumbers have 2 or 3 pipes running along where your baseboard goes  (call the plumbers up and call them every name under the sun)
Plumbers again... They bring pipes out at baseboard level so you have to join your baseboard either side of the pipe or notch your baseboard.
Plasters leave a load of plaster at the bottom which you then have to scrape off before you can even start.

3. Clients leave furniture in the room which you then have to keep moving to work around

4. not able to work near the job because not enough room or fear of creating mess inside (festool does come in handy for these kinda jobs with dust extraction)

Just a few things top of my head there are many more! Like if the baseboard was cupped that makes it more awkward to fit

Even if I did the job in less than half a day I still charge full day.   Either that or I dont do the job simples. I could be on my other jobs doing full days thats how I see it.  

JMB

Well on a very basic 8 x 10 room with no frills and installing just baseboards....what is a general price for a full day?
$200-$300 
 
Wow - anyone charging $200 a day must be doing this work on the side.. 

And in regards to competition - who cares?  No matter how cheap you do it, someone else who's hungrier will do it for less, so do not compete on price and do not set your price with mind to the competition.  Who knows if the other guys have any true idea of what it takes to run a business, or whether they are licensed or have insurance, etc..

So figure out how much you need for the time and charge that.  If you get the old line "I don't even make that much!!", then followup with " I'm sorry, Mr. client, you are obviously confusing an hourly rate with the cost of doing business - they are not one in the same.

And if you get the "The other guy will do it for this much!" then followup with a summary of what exactly makes you better: higher quality, cleaner work, better communication, guarantee of satisfaction, training, insurance, methods, etc.

And if you ever get asked to do free work, tell them you've found in the past that working for free results in you not being paid for your hard work.

Your value is the quality and commitment you bring to the work, NOT your great deal pricing.  I barely would even want to be thought of as affordable - that'd drive me nuts.

In specific regards to the baseboard, linear foot pricing is the way to go, and $1.50 to $2.00 is a good reference, but overall job size, such as a 8x10 room would dictate that a minimum price is gonna add up to more than what the one room's linear measurements add up to.

Bottom line is that, like tile backsplashes, you have to have the charge the minimum amount necessary so that you can even begin to setup shop and start laying trim.  In the case of tile backsplashes, often times it's simply a 20" x 6' wall, that if done by square foot pricing alone would not even begin to make it worth setting up the wet saw, etc.

Back to baseboard - other considerations are: moving furniture?, stain or paint?, obstructions to work around?, carpet or (possibly warped) hard surface floors?, doors, inside corners, outside corners, angled walls?

With some trim work, like crown molding, you'll have a basic linear foot price with an additional fixed amount per cut or splice or corner, etc.  For instance, same room with crown molding.  72 linear feet molding install at $4.00 per foot + 4 corner cuts at $25 each = $388.00  not too bad for a few hours work.

No one's helping me pay my bills, and most of my clients are driving nicer cars than I am, so if it's not my girlfriend, best friend or mom, I'm not doing it for free.

Same with brother inlaws and the like.  Minute you give outside family a great price, not only will they usually still think it cost too much, but then because they come out of it thinking that AFTER you did it cheaper than normal, you'll resent them!

So charge what you're worth, and never apologize for what it costs.  Get good at saying "This is what it would cost for me to do the work well.  After you present your numbers, never lower the price, ONLY change the scope of the work to make it more cost efficient.

I could go on, but it's getting a bit long-winded.

Julian
 
So for a room 8x10 you are looking at $72 I will not start my truck let alone setup a couple thousand dollars of tools for less than $300  I have a policy there is a 300$ dollar minimum find another room for me to put some trim in. That room in paint grade base should take you no more than an hour max. I use to love woodworking before I started charging for it. Keep it as a hobby enjoy it take your time have you "friends"  help, cook you dinner, buy the drinks, you will see how fast the requests will stop when you start charging a competitive rate.

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Charging a fee that reflects the cost of doing business as well as costs to do the job plus a suitable profit helps to weed out the tire-kickers that will continue to waste your time as long as you let them get away with it. 

 
dinkjs said:
So I have done about 10 free baseboard installs for neighbors and friends and it is about time to start charging.  But now I feel I should start getting some type of financial assistance from these installs I have done. 

Why is time to start charging?
I would like to help but I think most of the suggestions you have received are all good if you are planning to start a business.
Since you haven't indicated that your intention is to actually start a business it's difficult to give you any advice.

Working for free or for a beer or two is fine and I don't think you should "feel" that you need to charge for your services unless your objective is to start a business. I'm trying to understand why you would "feel" this way and why feelings rather than logic or planning is guiding your decisions.
I get you just wanted an idea for installing some baseboards, but I think you need to clearly identify your objectives such as Cheap and Cheerful  = low price/high-turn frequency or High Quality Premium = high price/low-turn frequency or something in between, then you can price accordingly.
Tim

 
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