PZ bits and PH bits in the Centrotec kit

Dan Clermont

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Got my C12 today. Spent sometime at the border....more then I would have liked but it helped to leave my stinky hockey gear in the SUV so they didn't want to hang around like last time.

Anyhow, I was playing with the Centrotec kit tonight and noticed some of the Philips bits are marked PH and some PZ. The PZ 1 looks just like the PH 1 and so on ..... anybody know what the difference is?

Thanks
Dan Clermont

 
Dan Clermont said:
it helped to leave my stinky hockey gear in the SUV so they didn't want to hang around like last time.

You're like a Festool "Operative" now.... or is it smuggler?

PZ are pozidrives.
 
Dan Clermont said:
Anyhow, I was playing with the Centrotec kit tonight and noticed some of the Philips bits are marked PH and some PZ. The PZ 1 looks just like the PH 1 and so on ..... anybody know what the difference is?

PZ is, as Eli said, Pozidriv(e). PH is Phillips, which is a slightly different shape of cross-head drive. The main diferences (apart from the extra 'wings' seen on the drawing below) are the angle of the point and the size of the flat on the end.

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nice example of the tips from jonny
pozi drive are the main type of fasteners that are use in the european hardware. that is why most people strip out the screw heads in the u.s.using a Philips bit. pozi's also seem to hold on to the pozi screws with out magnetic tips especially when you are using longer driver tips. that has been my experience. 8 bitting edges vrs 4 on a philips.  look closely at the fastener head for the extra little notches to signify its a pozi. 
 
As I understand it, PZ are designed so that whatever is driving them has less of a tendency to "cam out" than is the case with PH. PH cam out to prevent overtightening, PZ were developed as being better for automatic driving where the tightening could be more controlled but not necessarily to the extent of overcoming the PH tendency.
regards
 
I too have the C12 and the screw driving bits are simply a step over anything else I have used. The phillips driver simply doesn't cam out like generic bits and it has driven hundreds of screws. I have used square drive in the past due to camming out of phillips drivers but now I am not so sure. I have since bought some PB (Swiss made) drivers and they are the same if not better.
 
      I use pozidrive, for installing ski bindings all the time, I prefer them to phillips quite a bit, the blunt tip and the eight points of contact make a big difference compared to phillips try 'em you'll like 'em normally pozi #3 the #4 is huge. thanks dan
 
The keys to any screw driving application are quality control  of the manufacturer - paying attention to matching the shape and tolerances specified by the OEM or other standards setting bodies.  Many fasteners and bit drivers today aren't paying enough attention to the details.  I learned this long ago from my father who was a professional mechanic and part-time gunsmith.  Quality guns have lots of unique (slot head) screws - cut so their slots line up when driven perfectly home!  Bung one up, and you dramatically reduce the value of the gun to a knowledgeable buyer.  To remove them without bunging them up, you need to have a closely fitted driver bit, and my dad had a wide ranging set which he got from Brownells (don't know if they are still in business).  From personal bad experences, I have learned to stay clear of off-brand screws, including certain decking screws that have Phillips heads or combo-head (Phillips and square drive).  I prefer genuine Phillips brand screws and drivers, or square drive screws from McFeeley's for decking, and more recently find myself gravitating towards PZ (Euro) screw head fastners, especially genuine Spax brand for general purpose woodworking.  Genuine Phillips decking screws used in conjunction with a genuine Phillips brand driver grip tightly on the driver, even when pointed ~30 down from horizontal, and do not cam out easily.  They work about as good as McFeeley's square drive screws in my experiences.  I have several different P2 tip inserts from different manufacturers and they are definitely not all equal!

A quality Pozidrive bit is the only way to go with Euro screws, if you want a quality job and don't want to risk bunging up the screw heads.  They grip the screw heads very well, as others have said.

Dave R.
 
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