Q&A for the SysLite LED Worklamp

Last nite, our power went off just as i was about to leave for a late evening meeting.  My wife was running around gathering flashlites & candles.  I grabbed my syslite and set it up on the kitchen table, aimed the beam (very wide beam) at the large, light colored, shade dropped down over the bay window.  I adjusted the beam to the lowest setting and we had enough light in the room to fill the entire kitchen/dining area.  Nothing to compare with the regular lighting, but far more lite than with any two other auxiliarly lights we have in the house. 

This was the first time i have actually brought out the Syslite for an emergency, but it is the best yet for such purpose.
Tinker
 
I wasn't sure what I wanted my Syslites for other than being a very cool tool (no pun intended).  I find that I grab them constantly for everything from working in the barn (no electricity) to shadow lighting while finish sanding projects.
We haven't had any extended power failures but my Syslites are at the ready.  [wink]
 
Went camping. Took syslite.
Late night barbecue. Hung syslite.
Broken ceiling light. Used syslite.

I bought it for the workshop but now I just keep it at home. (Actually, my son keeps it in his room for late night reading.  [eek])
 
I've found my Syslite is becoming the "go to" tool in my house, although my wife still prefers the old Makita worklight due to its grip handle [similar to a T-style drill].

For use in dirty environments, e.g. working underneath an automobile or painting, I've found it useful to place the Syslite in a gallon-sized zip-lock plastic bag.  A bag of that size will accommodate the Syslite with external battery. The bag can be thrown away when finished with the task and the Syslite will remain clean and dry.
 
Dave Ronyak said:
I've found my Syslite is becoming the "go to" tool in my house, although my wife still prefers the old Makita worklight due to its grip handle [similar to a T-style drill].

For use in dirty environments, e.g. working underneath an automobile or painting, I've found it useful to place the Syslite in a gallon-sized zip-lock plastic bag.  A bag of that size will accommodate the Syslite with external battery. The bag can be thrown away when finished with the task and the Syslite will remain clean and dry.

Hey, cool idea !

Think I will add a bag to the site kit.
 
johninthecamper said:
"saran wrap"  cheaper and many more uses

I have a few remote controls in my shop for various things which all have Saran Wrap on them to prevent dust from building up in the button crevices that would eventually cause them to fail.

In regards to the Syslite, I was reluctant to buy one as a home hobbiest, but decided to have a self indulgent moment at my local Lee Valley a few months back and bought one.  What a great light.  It has seen so many non-shop uses so far, and really does  a great job of illuminating things for such a small device that doesn't require a cord or to replace batteries on like other alternatives.  I'm lovin' mine so far!
 
Just as an interesting point of comparison, I've had the opportunity to compare the SysLite output to a known reference: Philips Hue, a new 600 lumen output A19-style LED 120v lamp (in the US configuration). Philips states it is comparable to a 50W incandescent. The neat trick it has up its sleeve is you can control brightness and color from an iOS/Android app. The Hue lamp has a frosted glass diffuser to make it output light in all directions, just like a conventional lightbulb, so it is usable in most shaded fixtures as a direct replacement. Well, I broke a Hue bulb, just the glass diffuser, quite by accident. The LEDs still work fine, but is no longer diffused. It is, now much like the SysLite - just an array of LEDs that output in a 180-degree pattern.... and like the SysLite, there should be a warning "CAUTION: Extremely bright light. Do not look into beam with remaining eye!"

After setting the Philips Hue bulb to the same color temperature as the SysLite, I would say they are comparable in brightness with a slight edge to the SysLite. That puts the SysLite somewhere around 600 lumens, maybe 800 tops (realizing the Philips Hue may be loosing some brightness in the glass diffuser itself). Just a rough guess. While the SysLite is speced at 18W, the Hue runs at about 8W and is significantly cooler-running than the SysLite. This is likely due to the newer technology in the Hue that makes for higher efficiency. Philips has some expensive LED chips in that bulb, resulting in a retail price of US$60 per bulb (which also includes a wireless network color-controlling dimmer in the bulb).

What this makes me realize is that Festool has the opportunity to upgrade the SysLites with some of these newest LEDs that have more lumens/watt than what they currently use. This could equate to even more brightness and/or longer run times. CREE is really pushing the envelope here with their latest XLamp 7x7mm chip now at 200 lumens per watt. Such an upgrade would put the SysLite up over 3000 lumens with just two such chips. Crazy bright.

Nevertheless, I'm still quite happy with my SysLites... they have taken a beating, having been dropped several times, dragged through old-house grit, and left to run until they turn themselves off. Still as good as new.
 
What a fascinating discussion of the Hue vs the SysLite.

Please help me understand the methodology.

How did you set the color temperature of the Hue to match the SysLite? What sort of instrumentation did you use?

Are all the results the result of eyeball estimates? With currently available instrumentation the delivered lumens should not be in question.

As you probably know LED light sources are all the rage in theatrical lighting because of low heat and power consumption. Many of those can alter the apparent color of the light without using filters.

For motion picture and TV there is interest in LED fixtures. The problem is the actual quality of the light from early LED fixtures does not mesh well with existing motion picture color emulsions nor with the filters in existing color TV cameras.

Shortly after the SysLites became available in the USA, several of us from the Hollywood chapter of the Society of Motion Picture and TV Engineers and the American Society of Cinematographers conducted tests using a selection of both Fuji and Kodak 35mm negative films, as well as leading brands of Broadcast TV and Digital Cinema cameras. The off the shelf SysLite was one of the LED fixtures.

The tests showed the SysLite to be an outstanding fit with most of the digital cameras and also with both Fuji and Kodak daylight films.
 
Peter,

The bottom line for those dedicated Festool users making videos is that in many cases your Syslites will be a better choice for set lighting than other lighting fixtures.

Probably very few people making Festool videos use HMI lighting equipment.

The good news is when making a video outside, your SysLites will be very effective as fill-light, hanging in there with professional HMI units at a fraction of the cost.
 
Carroll,  I was just trying to pass on a link to the Hue.  I doubt I would ever use it for video lighting.  I am going to use the syslite for a video Saturday.

Peter
 
Peter, thanks and I understand about the Hue link.

I am sure you will be thrilled by the performance of the Syslite in your video production.

For such a physically small source, it does provide the benefits of a large soft-light.
 
ccarrolladams said:
Please help me understand the methodology.

How did you set the color temperature of the Hue to match the SysLite? What sort of instrumentation did you use?

Are all the results the result of eyeball estimates? With currently available instrumentation the delivered lumens should not be in question.

Interesting discussion. :-)

To answer CCaroll's questions, yes, the finely calibrated instruments I used were my Mark One Eyeballs.  [eek]  Certainly no match for dedicated calibrated test equipment. However, given that my handheld lightmeter is dead, that is all I have to go on. That, and a number of years shooting a Leica M3 film camera having no light meter. I had to train my eyes to really see light. I learned eyes make terrible light meters, but you can get along pretty well after some practice and rules of thumb.

Anyway, my "test rig" involved a blank wall. The SysLite was set in a tripod washing one side and inside corner of the wall with light. The Hue, missing its diffuser, was set up similarly on the other side/corner. The beam patterns happened to match. The Hue iOS app allowed me to, with the slide of my finger, adjust the Hue bulb to roughly the same color temperature as the SysLite. The latter having a touch more green in it than the Hue, to my eye, but it was as close as I could get it. Subjectively, standing back to take in the big picture, the brightness of the areas lit on the wall were very similar for both lamps. Darned if my handheld lightmeter wasn't broken, or I would've at least tried to get some measurements that way.

Another LED product I'm impressed enough with to invite into my home is CREE's CR6 recessed can light retrofit. Like Hue, they are using multi-color LED arrays to produce white light with a >90 CRI. Neither Hue, nor CR6 are RGB, but a curious mix of broad and narrow spectrum colors. How that would fare in film use, I don't know. It does please my eye, especially with the "bowl of fruit" test! ;-)  Most CFLs and phosphor-based LEDs have not passed that test in my kitchen. Now we're starting to see some quality light out of these things.

Of course, I'm not trying to suggest any off-the-shelf LED lightbulb is a replacement for the SysLite, far from it. Just that the opportunity presented itself to do a side-by-side brightness comparison for my own curiosity: how bright is it really? Thus, sharing here. I find it fascinating the SysLite is such as great tool for the film industry. I have no idea how the Hue bulb would fare in your requirements, but it might be something to keep an eye on for future evaluation.

BTW - there is an active developer community around Hue now that the API has been released. One such project involves controlling Hue with DMX controllers for possible stage lighting use. Who know where that will lead.

(edited for clarity)
 
Bought my Syslite last Friday
Wished I had had it on the job Monday
Brought it to a different job today (Wednesday) - I am in love with this thing!!!

I have tried so many headlamps and flashlights and hardware store LED arrays, Nd they have all left me sort of guessing what I was doing with my tools.  Using my Syslite, the guessing w gone, and I was able to work confidently and efficiently (efficiently by my standards, of course  ;). )
Its  size is perfect for moving from place to place and fitting in tight spots.

I was doing the math on its cost in my head: If for some reason this tool only lasted three years (wildly conservative), then cost is only $5 per month - that's a bargain!
 
Joseph C said:
Bought my Syslite last Friday
Wished I had had it on the job Monday
Brought it to a different job today (Wednesday) - I am in love with this thing!!!

I have tried so many headlamps and flashlights and hardware store LED arrays, Nd they have all left me sort of guessing what I was doing with my tools.  Using my Syslite, the guessing w gone, and I was able to work confidently and efficiently (efficiently by my standards, of course  ;). )
Its  size is perfect for moving from place to place and fitting in tight spots.

I was doing the math on its cost in my head: If for some reason this tool only lasted three years (wildly conservative), then cost is only $5 per month - that's a bargain!

Congrats! I distinctly remember spending just north of $100 on an LED headlamp at REI years ago. Long lost on an expedition, sad or say, but it was bright! SysLite is just plain handy. One is great... Two make an excellent team.
 
Question:

Is the ac adapter just a cable, or does it have one of those annoying wall-warts on the end?

Suggestions:

1:  Offer some optional mounting stuff, like a tripod.

2:  It's great that the light is diffused, but there are times when you want a brighter, focused beam.  Offer some kind of optional shiled or driectional device, that clips on.
 
The transformer 'wart' that plugs into mains socket is roughly  3 1/4" x 2" x 1 1/4" thick;
not including 3-pin plug thingy used in UK.

For 'spot' lighting I use a DeWalt 'snake-light' which I find really helpful
on (now) rare occasions.  When needed, it's the only thing that would easily work.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DEWALT-DW919-18V-CORDLESS-LIGHT-TORCH-/330938210909?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item4d0d745a5d

Even if a 'slip-over' lens could accurately turn such a diffuse (largish area) into a spot, it couldn't get the beam into places the snake-light can,
because of the size of the body. 

For me, the Syslite is pretty much perfect.  Would like that:
1/  three selectable light output levels available - purely to enhance battery life at lowest output - no big deal though.
2/  that it showed when internal battery, truly, fully charged - imho it most definitely does not.

Can get all manner of tripods anywhere that sells cameras and suchlike - can't see the point in Festool
supplying one.

Richard
 
Cableaddict said:
Question:

Is the ac adapter just a cable, or does it have one of those annoying wall-warts on the end?

Suggestions:

1:  Offer some optional mounting stuff, like a tripod.

2:  It's great that the light is diffused, but there are times when you want a brighter, focused beam.  Offer some kind of optional shiled or driectional device, that clips on.

The plug is a transformer - that's what you're asking I assume.

The Syslite takes a standard tripod camera mount thread - there are so many cheap tripod options on the market I don't think it's work trying to compete with a festool branded product - I already have several camera and lever tripods - they're all compatible.

To focus light I think you really need a reflector. If you want a tight beam I don't think you can beat a torch of appropriate power. My Ayup lights http://www.ayup-lights.com are amazing in that respect.
 
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