Question on sanding

[wptski]

Tom:

The room's inside trim is white around the door but the outside(before staining), the jamb/trim matched the door, how was that handled?

 

[usatu]

Very nice application and love it. Today I bought the bac wiping stain in traditional cherry. We tested  3 different colors on a pierce of maple  and this one gives the darkest/rich color. But I would like it tone to black a little. Any toner you will suggest for the stain？Cant wait to get the project started. My sanding on the doors is almost finished and I will work on the venner part. Will paint stripper and light sanding work for preparing the veneer？

Really appreciate your inputs as always！I read those posts over and over and hope I got every step correctly so far.

 

[tjbnwi]

Very nice application and love it. Today I bought the bac wiping stain in traditional cherry. We tested  3 different colors on a pierce of maple  and this one gives the darkest/rich color. But I would like it tone to black a little. Any toner you will suggest for the stain？Cant wait to get the project started. My sanding on the doors is almost finished and I will work on the venner part. Will paint stripper and light sanding work for preparing the veneer？

Really appreciate your inputs as always！I read those posts over and over and hope I got every step correctly so far.

You want the cherry to shift to black slightly or the undertone shifted to black?

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

Tom:

The room's inside trim is white around the door but the outside(before staining), the jamb/trim matched the door, how was that handled?

Cleaned well, scuff sanded, primed with BM bonding primer, top coated with BM Advance in Navajo White. Used BM products instead of SW because the homeowner supplied them.

Tom

 

[usatu]

I attached the pictures(top sample). Not sure how the finish is done but I feel a dark tone in the cherry. The stain I tried on the maple  is more unified color and redish and lighter than this.

Very nice application and love it. Today I bought the bac wiping stain in traditional cherry. We tested  3 different colors on a pierce of maple  and this one gives the darkest/rich color. But I would like it tone to black a little. Any toner you will suggest for the stain？Cant wait to get the project started. My sanding on the doors is almost finished and I will work on the venner part. Will paint stripper and light sanding work for preparing the veneer？

Really appreciate your inputs as always！I read those posts over and over and hope I got every step correctly so far.

You want the cherry to shift to black slightly or the undertone shifted to black?

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

Maple is a much lighter wood than cherry. Cherry is light brown until is naturally darkens.

Bring the store the sample and some scrap pieces of maple. They should be able to adjust the color. They'll have to add some yellow to draw back the red, maybe add a little black.

Tom

 

[usatu]

They don't do custom tint on the stain here [sad] I went there today with the sample. Not sure what else I can do. Zero experience with stain and toner. Is it a trial and error to get the color you like?  I am clueless about what next step is. Thank you for your suggestion.

Maple is a much lighter wood than cherry. Cherry is light brown until is naturally darkens.

Bring the store the sample and some scrap pieces of maple. They should be able to adjust the color. They'll have to add some yellow to draw back the red, maybe add a little black.

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

Where are you located?

You may need to tone the maple with dye prior to staining.

Tom

 

[usatu]

I am in Philly suburb. Can I create toner by dyes, mineral spirits and apply on top of stain? I saw some videoes on youtube and need to figure out the formula.

Where are you located?

You may need to tone the maple with dye prior to staining.

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

Trans Tint dyes.
http://homesteadfinishingproducts.com/products-we-offer/stains-and-colorants/

I tone prior to stain and use denatured alcohol as the carrier.

Tom

 

[usatu]

So for my case, I should try to put a little yellow and black dye in the denatured alcohol and tone the wood. How do I know how much to put on? On youtube, they spray layers of toner to build up color. Using your method I will only apply toner once, correct? Any barrier between toner and stain? Sorry for all these questions. I am learning from step 1. [tongue] [tongue]

Trans Tint dyes.
http://homesteadfinishingproducts.com/products-we-offer/stains-and-colorants/

I tone prior to stain and use denatured alcohol as the carrier.

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

Medium or dark brown on the wood.

The yellow will only affect the BAC is added to it. Someday I'll try dye in BAC but I have access to the colorants so it has not been necessary for me to do so.

You have to make sample pieces to know the answer to some of your questions.

I'm very surprised there is not a finish store in or near Philly. I'll find out tomorrow if there is one, if so where it is.

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

Spoke to the finish specialist for SW today.

There are 2 locations in PA.

Macungie (near Philly);
https://www.sherwin-williams.com/store-locator/product-finishes-facility/macungie/pa/4323

Ambridge (near Pittsburg);
https://www.sherwin-williams.com/store-locator/product-finishes-facility/ambridge/pa/1497

Either of these stores will be able to match what ever you want and supply you with what you need. They should be able to sell you KA+ by the gallon also.

If they are not willing to do this for you the Countryside Il. store told me they would take care of this. Send me or them the color sample, some test pieces, they'll mix up what you need and ship it back to you. I've never been in the store but they're great people to deal with, If my store can't create the match I call Countryside with a color match to a SW color or send them a  sample--about 4 days latter I have the tinted KA+ in the volume and sheen I need. I mix most of my own dye/stain colors but would have no hesitation to have them mix one I can't get right.

Below is the latest mix they did for me.

Tom

 

[usatu]

Tom-Sorry，I just saw your post. I Can't say enough to thank you for helping people even novice person like me！I will give SW a call. BtW，may I ask whether there is a temprature requirement for bac stain？

Best

 

[tjbnwi]

50-90ºF

Tom