Recon Tool Sale - further thoughts and a decison.

Bob Marino

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Hey Guys,

I have been a participating Festool dealer in their reconditioned tool program each and every time they have run one. The recon programs have always been a win-win for the dealers, Festool and most importantly, the customers. It allowed those who already had Festool tools to fill out their arsenal, as well as allow the guys who plain can't afford the Festool tools at full retail price, to buy a Festool sander and vacuum that won't spread dust all over his shop.

As with these sales, timing is critical, BUT THIS SALE IS DIFFERENT, since the prices are all at an unheard (for Festool) 40% discount. This has lead to a very, very high call load as soon as new tools are added. As such, unlike in recon sales past, this high call load has lead to tens or more likely, hundreds of customers calling for the same items at the same time; wink and its gone.

Timing is everything and like all recon tool sales, the ordering system requires a dealer to be right there, computer keyboard in one hand, phone in the other, to take their customer's orders and key it into Festool's system. I have looked unsuccessfully at other options, including having to pay the web guys who run my web's platform to allow direct ordering from my site into Festool's ordering system  (as you would a new tool) but it looks like it would not be ready in time to be of use in this current sale.

So, it is quite evident to all - or maybe not quite all, that this current system of having customers wait until the list is updated and then make a mad dash to call their dealer of choice and having to wait until that dealer has finished with the call he is currently on and perhaps the next 5 calls coming, rather than simply having the customer order directly from Festool, isn't the best way to sell these tools.  It's inefficient, archaic, indefensible, senseless and worst of all unnecessary. 'Nuff said about that.

In the last few days, since I had prior professional commitments, I had most of my orders covered by one of my associates, but today I was caught quite unaware when the tools started populating the field at 11:30 am instead of 1:30 pm, as I was expecting and planned for. A problem arose as I was tending to other chores and commitments and was simply in no position (literally) to respond quickly and take my customer's orders. Same thing happened  later in the pm when more tools began to repopulate the list; my customers called and recalled and I had to text that I was unable to take their call/order soon enough and please try another dealer. I don't think there are many things more frustrating then having built your business on (hopefully) good customer service, than to ask your customers to buy elsewhere because you are not in front of a computer at that moment.

Looking at my upcoming schedule for the  next few weeks I see I have some things that need to be done at specific times - PT, handling some family issues, my mom's health - she's ok, but in a nursing home, my daughter' marching band and doctor's appointments, you know they call it "life". And at those times, I can not be available for my customers to order the tools in a timely enough manner to ensure they get' em. I pride myself on accessibility - and few, if any dealers are more accessible. My business phone is not an office phone, its my cell phone, which I always have at my side or in my pocket.  I keep loooooooooong hours - it is now after 12am and I am literally taking recon orders in between writing this post, so it's not the long hours, but the not being available at the correct times for my customers for this sale that is my concern.  I do not want my customers to call me when I am unable to respond, waste their time and likely lose that tool. Another point to mention is that I hate having to place orders so quickly that the customers may and many do, feel rushed. That's simply not the way I have grown my business, nor the way I will run my business.

So after lots of thought and consideration and with very deep regret, effective Saturday midnight, October 25, I will no longer be participating as a dealer in Festool's Recondition Tool Program. I am fully open Friday and Saturday. The good news is that there are plenty of excellent dealers still participating and are at the ready to take your Recon tool orders.

Lastly, I would wish to thank my many customers, both old and new, for their loyalty and support - as well as their patience when the phone line was buzzin' for quite a while and also when the few mistakes were made (which will be corrected) and a huge shout out to one of Festool's best assets - Shane Holland, for all his help and support all they way through the bumps in this sale and what the heck, for being an tireless workhorse, great guy - who many times does not get the credit he so very deeply deserves.

Bob
 
Bob - A tough decision for sure from a business perspective, but from a 'life' perspective, 110% understandable. You cant be expected to be at the ready at your keyboard 24/7, and you shouldn't have to be.

You have always treated me well with my past orders, including orders from two prior Recon Sales. I never hesitate to suggest people check your site or send you an email or call you when they are looking for something. You know you have a great reputation and a great following, all for very good reason.

I agree that Festool needs to come up with a much better way to handle these sales, assuming they choose to do them in the future. Certainly in this day and age with all of the technology we have at our fingertips, and in our pockets - they can come up with something and still make it fair for dealers and customers...
 
I think you've been a victim of your own success, having been able to secure tools for your customers when no others will.

I understand your decision, but would buy reconditioned from you in the future if you made yourself available. Maybe limiting yourself to normal working hours for taking orders would be a good compromise, having a dedicated work phone that you can shut off and separate from normal life. I don't think anyone will look down at the fact that you've decided to establish a specified set of working hours, that would be ludicrous and wouldn't be deserving of your support if that were the case.

Good luck w/ everything.
 
Tough decision, but totally understandable. I did the same thing...

I shut down my Internet business recently due to health issues, and an inability to meet the 24/7 demands of the business. I decided I would rather lose customers on MY terms (by shutting down the business) rather than generating a bunch of ill-will when I couldn't live up to their expectations.

Best wishes for your business and your health!
 
  Thanks for the kind words, gentleman!
The issue here is not that I won't be available, as I always have been and will continue to be. But with this sale, you can't just take an order and place it later, or call the order into Festool directly - you simply must be at a place where you can have Internet access and computer (hard to place an order on my Iphone) and place it right then and there; not after you get out of the car or back from the bank, etc, but at that moment. And its not the after hours that's the problem, as I mentioned I  just took an order at midnight when my customer called me and am placing one that i just got at 1:15 am - moments ago. It's not being available at the moment - yes THEEE moment the recons populate the list and that is during businses hours. Nope, if I can answer the phone, I will pick it up - not quite 24/7 but fairly close.

Bob
 
wow said:
Tough decision, but totally understandable. I did the same thing...

I shut down my Internet business recently due to health issues, and an inability to meet the 24/7 demands of the business. I decided I would rather lose customers on MY terms (by shutting down the business) rather than generating a bunch of ill-will when I couldn't live up to their expectations.

Best wishes for your business and your health!

Thanks, but luckily health is fine, despite the bit of PT I am going to a couple of times a week. And this will not affect other non-recon tool orders, as they always were and will continue be be ordered anytime, as well as questions and advice. Let me clarify a bit, as it needs clarification. I am off the Festool Recon Dealer list and have removed the recon tool list as well as the recon tool banner from my web-site, but does not mean if one of my customers calls me and asks a recon order to be placed and I happen to be in front on my computer that I would say "buy elsewhere." I'm giving my customers a good heads up about my not being active as a recon dealer, carrying laptop in hand, looking for Internet access. Sounds like a little back tracking on my part and it probably is, but I need to ensure that I won't be a part of that calling frenzy when the tool list is updated and customers don't spend time calling and recalling me when there are other dealers available and my access very limited.

Bob
 
Wish I had some extra $$$ - there are a couple of recon items I'd love to have and would be contacting you about if I did.

Especially since you don't need to sleep tonight anyway...

[wink]
 
Bob, this sale has been the first time I've worked with you, but I for one really appreciate the effort you have made throughout the sale to be on-call 24/7.  Not only do I appreciate it, but I'm a little shocked that anyone would make that effort.  It's too much to expect of anyone, let alone for an entire month.

I'm thrilled to have had the chance to participate in this sale, and I'll continue to look for opportunities to keep participating as the sale moves forward.  I'm grateful to Festool USA and to dealers like Bob who have made it happen.  And I hope it doesn't come across as ungrateful to say that, if Festool USA ever does another recon sale (and I hope they will), I think the logistics could be significantly improved.  That's not a complaint -- I realize that this is a bit of a first in many ways, so it's inevitably going to be a learning experience.  But in the spirit of learning:

I have run into he same types of problems that Bob mentions when I had a frustrating experience with another dealer (not Bob).  The dealer is, I'm sure, generally a very good dealer, but they were unprepared for the demands of this sale, and the result was that I had an unpleasant experience and missed out on two tools that I ordered at the right time but, due to a glitch with the dealer's process, I didn't get them.  I had another situation this evening in which I placed an order with a different dealer (also not Bob), but there seem to be some glitches that make me worried this will be another frustrating ordeal that results in me missing out on two more tools.  It's probably unfair for me to blame the dealer if that's how it pans out, because the logistics of this sale put such a strain on the dealers that problems are inevitable.

I have placed orders with Bob, and those have gone great.  But when I read Bob's post about the challenges of dealing with the sale logistics, it certainly helps me understand why I ran into problems with other dealers who may be great dealers but who did not make the kinds of super-human efforts Bob has been putting in so far.  It's not fair or realistic of me to expect that every dealer is going to put in that kind of effort.

Allowing customers to place orders directly on the Festool USA site would certainly solve the problems.  Perhaps there are reasons not to do that.  I don't pretend to understand the dynamic.  I'll continue participating and appreciating whatever I manage to get.  But the challenges that Bob articulates from a dealer perspective are challenges that I have experienced from a customer perspective.  FWIW.

Thanks for running the sale.  I'm excited to get whatever I get out of it.
 
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to select the tool from the Festool website and then select your dealer!!!

The model you're coping (or have been trying to cope) with isn't a good one ... shame on Festool US for creating a frenzy market like that.

Full credit to Bob for his integrity - that's a rare level on honesty and openness!

Hat's off to ya! [wink]
 
Thanks for all the hard work Bob and for getting back to me on each call and answering questions and being patient with me, for answering the phone at night and for getting me so many products. I am truly sorry about this, I know it has been heavy on your mind for quite a bit here. I hope your Mom is well and PT goes well too and your Daughter "kicks it" in band! You are the best. I hope Festool does what you've suggested here, it is really an unfair position to be in and as a new customer I think all of your loyal customers understand the position your in and will continue to,use your service. I know I will.  Chris
 
Bob
Totally agree with your decision and also want to thank you for always being my Festool dealer and being so accessible- you will continue to be my go to dealer and always have since you introduced Festool to me 7 or 8 years ago at the Saratoga Wood Workers show!! I had never heard of Festool prior- it was your knowledge and time you spent explaining and demoing that hooked me.

Frank
 
I'll join the chorus of praises for Bob's commitment to his customers.  I've bought a number of times from Bob during recon sales (this one and before), and it's amazing how responsive he's been, all things considered.  But I commend his decision to pull back in favor of more important commitments.  This thread is just further evidence that he cares about his customers.  Thanks, Bob.
 
Bob, I understand and fully support your decision.  And despite all the hump busting that Shane does (and credit he seldom gets), this is a business process that needs considerable re-thinking.  It's wonderful to be able to buy the reconditioned tools when they come available, but the process of doing so needs to be re-engineered so that potential buyers can lock in their name to a tool on the list and select their dealer of choice without driving the dealer up the wall trying to get the order consummated timely to not lose the desired tool. 

 
I now have the T 18 I ordered from Bob and everything looks fine. He did tell me that based on the model number that the drill would come with the 3 amp/hr batteries and I appreciated the heads up.

I do not understand why Festool cannot release all the newly available tools at one time instead of doing a new batch and an order canceled batch at different times. The order canceled ones seem to be popping up at night often and that creates these headaches again.

I again support the idea of ordering on the Festool website and marking which dealer should get the credit. The current system is a lottery which does not really create good will. Of course this is the company that thought that a black cooler was a good idea.

 
Jimbo, speculation only, but I imagine all of the tools were not ready to populate to the list from the get go.  Simply based on the number of tools making it to the recon site, which appears to be a significant number, as each tool is processed and inspected prior to release to the site takes some time, due to shear volume and probably available manpower to conduct the inspections.

 
Baremeg,

I meant release newly available tools and canceled orders one time each day as they become available.
 
jimbo51 said:
I now have the T 18 I ordered from Bob and everything looks fine. He did tell me that based on the model number that the drill would come with the 3 amp/hr batteries and I appreciated the heads up.

I do not understand why Festool cannot release all the newly available tools at one time instead of doing a new batch and an order canceled batch at different times. The order canceled ones seem to be popping up at night often and that creates these headaches again.

I again support the idea of ordering on the Festool website and marking which dealer should get the credit. The current system is a lottery which does not really create good will. Of course this is the company that thought that a black cooler was a good idea.

Shane can correct me if I am wrong, but the guys in Service are working hard to get as many tools up at one time as they can. I don't know the amount and quantities of each tool in their inventory, but I do think there is plenty to work through and they will be busy for the next few weeks adding more as soon as they can get them inspected.

Bob
 
Totally understandable Bob.

It's getting to the point where it might be better to run a lottery for each tool.
Everyone who wants a particular tool sends his email address in random selection matches customers to tool serial numbers.
 
Shane just needs to write an iPhone App that shows and notifies us of recon tool updates.

We select the tool and our favorite dealer and it is queues to that dealer to process during normal waking hours. Selection is a commitment and tool is allocated to our pending order.

Maybe name it "iRecon"

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BTW - Thanks Bob for being upfront with me yesterday while you were in PT.
You were first on my dealer list to go to.
 
I don't usually reply to forum posts but feel obligated to chime in here...

Bob, I bought my first Festool (a drill, I believe) about 18 years ago and have bought all my Festools from you ever since (my last, a Kapex) and throughout this period your service has always been the best! I have tools from virtually all the major tool vendors and generally the seller was a faceless, anonymous contact with whom there was no confidence that the item would be functional when it arrived--until it hopefully did so! I always know that the advice I receive from you and the item I ultimately purchase will be everything I was promised.  Your decision to get out of the reconditioned program, apparently poorly organized and instituted, is entirely reasonable.  I believe you will find broad support for this decision.  Thank you for your long history of customer service.
 
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