Review of Festool DOMINO? DF 500 Q SET Product No . 574307 (is it easy?)

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Review of Festool  DOMINO? DF 500 Q SET Product No . 574307 (is it easy?)

I want to see if the Festool Domino loose tenon machine was as easy as every one is saying.  On the Festool Owners forum there were several discussion on how to make the best joint. And several owners were making all kinds of jigs to make it easier. So why are all these jigs need if the Festool Domino is so easy to use?

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Here is what I bought, the DOMINO? DF 500 Q SET Product No . 574307 and the Domino Systainer Assortment ?and four Cutters Product No .493301. Wanted to make sure I had everything I need to get started.

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The Domino Set included the:
1. Domino DF500 (Product No.: 574 307)
2. Support  Bracket, the Domino Trim Stop (Product No. 493487)
3.   Trim Stop (Product No. 493487)
4. Domino Cross Stop (Product No. 493488)
5. Systainer Sys2
6.   Not pictured, The Plug-it, wrench, 5mm cutter and manual

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The design  of the Domino is intriguing.  It is a tool that make a very difficult and time consuming joinery technique ,  mortise and tenon join,  easy. The Domino ease of use brings a skill orientated task to the Neophyte! You can make a mortise and tenon joint in less them a minute. Where a traditional mortise and tenon joint would take a lot longer and a lot of skill.

At first I was intimidated by the Domino. The fence system looked so intricate. With all kind of options.  So the first order of business was to make a mortise to see how everything works. I started off with the assumption that the mortise needs to be centered in the work piece.  Since the Board thickness gauge (2) is pre-set to metric and we use imperial measurement, for  plywood in the USA, I opted to use the height gauge (1)  to get my  mortise in the center of my work piece. As you can see from the test piece above I was NOT  successful in getting the mortise in the center. Fine adjustments were imposable with the fence freely sliding up and down.

I was wondering why the height guage did not have some way of making a fine adjustment.  Lots of Festool products have micro fine adjustments on them, so why it is missing on the Domino?

The answer is --- Because you do not need it! Which makes my first assumption of centering the mortise WRONG. You do not need to center the mortise. All you need to do is make sure you reference the correct two surfaces.  Once you figure this out the Domino become less intimidating and easy to use.

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So now the proof of simplicity.  First forget the need to center the mortise.

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The whole process of joining two pieces of ? Plywood at a 90 degrees took less them 10 minutes.  Start by attach the support base.  Set the board thickness gauge (the step thing) to the thickness closes to  the material you are working with. In my case 20mm for 3/4 inch plywood. Make sure the fence height lever is not locked down when adjusting the board thickness  step.  After the board thickness is set and the fence is resting on the correct step, lock it down.

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Select the Loose Tenon  (Domino) that you are going to use to  join the two pieces of wood. In this case the 6mm by 40mm. Install the correct cutter in the Domino.  This is an easy process, but does require a small tool that is included with the Domino.

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The 40mm Domino present a problem if you plunge the mortise 20mm in to the edge and face of the panels. The plywood panel  is too thin to accept a full 20mm mortis. So you will need to plunge the edge to a depth of 25mm and the face of the plywood to only 15. This change is done with the depth setting on the left side of the Domino.  

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Place the two pieces of plywood in the position you want to join them.

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Draw a line, across both pieces where you want the mortise and tenon joints. The serves two purposes.
First, the pencil lines  mark the reference surface.   This is the surface that the adjustable fence must rest on when you are cutting the mortise.  This technique is the secrete to the simplicity of the Domino joiner.  When you reference these two marked surfaces with the Domino fence, you are making the two mortise the exact same distance for the edge.  Not in the center, but the exact same distance from the reference edge.  So when you assemble the two pieces the two edges line up.

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The second reason for the pencil line is to give you a center point to line up the Dominos horizon gauge on  for plunging the mortise.

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In this photo the mortise is being plunged into the side panel . The correct distance in maintained as the surface of the Domino adjustable fence  is up against the material ( the edge)  that we marked with the pencil. The support bracket is attached to the base plate for  additional stability and helps keep the Domino at a perfect 90 degrees when plunging into the wood surface.

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Next I plunge the mortise into the bottom panel.  The mortise in being made in the edge of the panel. This time you need to hang the work piece over the edge of your work table. This is done to make sure nothing interferes with keeping the Domino fence flat on the surface with the pencil lines. Remember this is our reference surface. In the photos above you can see the black stop latch that makes it easy to line up the first plunge with the right edge of the work piece.

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Here is a shot of all eight mortise before the Domino are inserted.

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Dominos inserter and ready for a dry test fit.

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There it is, a dry test  fitted joined with the edges nicely aligned. All in under five minutes.

So after reviewing the Domino, for simplicity, I find the Domino  very easy to join two panels at 90 degrees.  The same technique can be used to join to panels or wood stock flat edge to edge.  It is amazing how easy the Festool Domino makes joinery. Even I can do it.  
 
Okay Greg, nice job but I'm more of a wait for the movie to come instead of reading the book kind of guy.....so where's the video?? [big grin]
 
Brice Burrell said:
Okay Greg, nice job but I'm more of a wait for the movie to come instead of reading the book kind of guy.....so where's the video?? [big grin]

If I had more time I would do a video. If there was a Video available it would have made it a lot easer for me to "get" the Domino. But I leave Tues AM for a funeral and will not be back until later in the week.

 
......I was wondering why the height guage did not have some way of making a fine adjustment.  Lots of Festool products have micro fine adjustments on them, so why it is missing on the Domino?

The answer is --- Because you do not need it! Which makes my first assumption of centering the mortise WRONG. You do not need to center the mortise. All you need to do is make sure you reference the correct two surfaces.  Once you figure this out the Domino become less intimidating and easy to use......

This is the true beauty of the Domino system and sure summed it up very nicely here. [thumbs up]

Okay before I start getting hate mail from Junkie ;D for not busting your chops too let me nit pick something.

The Domino Set included the:
1.  Domino DF500 (Product No.: 574 307)
2.  Support  Bracket, the Domino Trim Stop (Product No. 493487)
3.  Trim Stop (Product No. 493487)
4.  Domino Cross Stop (Product No. 493488)
5.  Systainer Sys2

I'm a stickler for detail in reviews, particularity on included contents of a tool. The set also includes a Plug-It cord, wrench (you did mention it later in the review) and owners manual. Seems like I'm being a jerk for pointing this out but I know someone new to Festool products will end up reading this review and think they'll need to buy a Plug-It separately. I'd hate to see that happen. I hope I've not offended you that truly isn't my intention.
 
Greg,

Really useful and readable overview. As someone who's not used a domino before, this is really useful.  [thanks]

Cheers,
Rick
 
Brice Burrell said:
I'm a stickler for detail in reviews, particularity on included contents of a tool. The set also includes a Plug-It cord, wrench (you did mention it later in the review) and owners manual. Seems like I'm being a jerk for pointing this out but I know someone new to Festool products will end up reading this review and think they'll need to buy a Plug-It separately. I'd hate to see that happen. I hope I've not offended you that truly isn't my intention.

I was just listing the major components. I thought the plug-it was a given. The wrench was just assumed. Plus if I'm going to add all the stuff  I should add the 5mm cutter that is included. But to be clear I  will add them, Thanks!
 
I thought it was very.....very........good keep up the good work.
 
Mac said:
Greg,

Really useful and readable overview. As someone who's not used a domino before, this is really useful.   [thanks]

Cheers,
Rick

I would have liked to have something like this when I was experimenting with the Domino.  Would have made it easer to get my head around the Domino.

Greg
 
GPowers said:
I was just listing the major components. I thought the plug-it was a given. The wrench was just assumed. Plus if I'm going to add all the stuff  I should add the 5mm cutter that is included. But to be clear I  will add them, Thanks!

Ha, good catch. Some stickler for detail I turned out to be. [embarassed] [tongue]
 
It has been stated that a fine fence adjustment is not needed, which is definitely true in the case of flush joinery.  However, in some cases it is necessary to join two pieces with one piece slightly proud (ie attaching a face frame onto a carcase) or join two pieces with a different final height (ie attaching a face frame onto a carcase with an overhang for scribing. )  I have really enjoyed the Domino for many uses, but this is always one which leaves me swearing and sweating...
 
Well, as long as folks are jumping on Greg, I might as well add the fact that the first picture shows not only the Domino tool, but also the additional Systainer with all the assorted dominoes, not to mention the additional box with the bit set (not shown) for the Domino tool.  

Great review, Greg.  When mine arrived, I used up a bunch of scraps experimenting and learning to set it up right, just so I don't butcher a paying job.  And RonWen's add-on plate is a big help, too.  

[smile]  [smile]  [smile]
 
counterintuitive said:
It has been stated that a fine fence adjustment is not needed, which is definitely true in the case of flush joinery.  However, in some cases it is necessary to join two pieces with one piece slightly proud (ie attaching a face frame onto a carcase) or join two pieces with a different final height (ie attaching a face frame onto a carcase with an overhang for scribing. )   I have really enjoyed the Domino for many uses, but this is always one which leaves me swearing and sweating...

Not a Domino user (yet), but this is a good add in terms of a limitation.  Thanks.
 
counterintuitive said:
It has been stated that a fine fence adjustment is not needed, which is definitely true in the case of flush joinery.  However, in some cases it is necessary to join two pieces with one piece slightly proud (ie attaching a face frame onto a carcase) or join two pieces with a different final height (ie attaching a face frame onto a carcase with an overhang for scribing. )   I have really enjoyed the Domino for many uses, but this is always one which leaves me swearing and sweating...

if you need to set a very accurate measurment on the fence you could cut a block of timber to the height desired plus the distance from the center of the cutter down to the base of the domino. this can be used for repeat set ups .
all you need to do is place the domino and the block of a flat surface and lower the fence down to it
 
Alan m said:
if you need to set a very accurate measurment on the fence you could cut a block of timber to the height desired plus the distance from the center of the cutter down to the base of the domino. this can be used for repeat set ups .
all you need to do is place the domino and the block of a flat surface and lower the fence down to it

That is a great ideal.

I was think a shim or a thin piece of material could be used to off set the Domino to get one surface proud, with out using a micro-adjustment. This would also make the repeatability of such a cut easer to do.
 
GPowers said:
Alan m said:
if you need to set a very accurate measurment on the fence you could cut a block of timber to the height desired plus the distance from the center of the cutter down to the base of the domino. this can be used for repeat set ups .
all you need to do is place the domino and the block of a flat surface and lower the fence down to it

That is a great ideal.

I was think a shim or a thin piece of material could be used to off set the Domino to get one surface proud, with out using a micro-adjustment. This would also make the repeatability of such a cut easer to do.

Scraps of different thickness laminate work well as shims.
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GPowers said:
Alan m said:
if you need to set a very accurate measurment on the fence you could cut a block of timber to the height desired plus the distance from the center of the cutter down to the base of the domino. this can be used for repeat set ups .
all you need to do is place the domino and the block of a flat surface and lower the fence down to it

That is a great ideal.

I was think a shim or a thin piece of material could be used to off set the Domino to get one surface proud, with out using a micro-adjustment. This would also make the repeatability of such a cut easer to do.

I use individual sheets of onion skin paper. Accurate to 0.00001".  It takes about 120 to shim up to that 1/8" offset, but it's superbly accurate.

....J/K!!   [wink]

Greg, I forgot what a good review and usage tutorial this was.  Good job!
 
All the additional tips and tricks, hat are being posting, just make it more informative.
 
I see that you've cut one hole with a snug fit, and the other with a looser fit. I see that the manual also recommends this. But is it really necessary? The machine is so precise that I have no problems getting superb fit even when both holes are on the smallest setting.
 
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