Router edge treatments on inside edges

cliffp

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I am interested in the idea of making panel doors and would like to use my Domino for the construction. I am wondering how I can apply edge treatments to the rails and stiles and end up with it looking neat. Obviously, rail and style router bit sets can solve the problem of jointing the parts and also giving the edge profile specific to the set but they are expensive and you would need a different set for every edge profile. I can see that it would be possible to apply edge treatments to the individual components and then use a mitred joint since this would also mitre the edge and produce a neat result. If a more conventional butt jointed was used it seems to me that it would be difficult to achieve a neat result either by applying the edge treatment before or after assembly. I don't want to apply beading as I imagine this wouldn't look as good.
 
You do have some options - some which will work better than others.  You could use butt joints with dominos and temporarily clamp together and use a router from the top.  This will leave rounded corners which may or may not be objectionable to you.  Or you could do that and then clean up the corners by hand - may be difficult to achieve the desired result.

Another option would be jack miters as Brice shows on his blog.  It would require getting a bit to do the jack miters but it would allow you to use any other profile.  Personally I think that this would be approach best for you to investigate.

Here is Brice's video on this:

Brice Burrell Does Beaded Jack Miter Cabinet Doors

Here is the link to his blog that also has some supplemental information:  Brice's Blog

As to other styles of doors, also take a look at Brice's other entries on his blog and also visit his youtube channel:  Brice's YouTube Channel

Peter
 
Thanks for that Peter. That is exactly the sort of thing I was hoping to find.
 
I've added moulding to the inside with good results so I would not rule that option out.  BTW, what kind of door are you referring to, cabinet or interior/exterior doors?

 
Brice, I was thinking of cabinets in the first instance. The reason I wasn't initially keen on the idea of mouldings was through remembering the results I achieved in the past when I had inferior tools, less experience and hadn't hadn't the benefit of the excellent advice available on this forum. I'll certainly take your advice and reconsider using mouldings.
 
Cliff,

One reason I have not used many moldings is that the availability in many wood species is very limited.

Just something else to consider.

Peter
 
cliffp said:
I am interested in the idea of making panel doors and would like to use my Domino for the construction. I am wondering how I can apply edge treatments to the rails and stiles and end up with it looking neat. Obviously, rail and style router bit sets can solve the problem of jointing the parts and also giving the edge profile specific to the set but they are expensive and you would need a different set for every edge profile. I can see that it would be possible to apply edge treatments to the individual components and then use a mitred joint since this would also mitre the edge and produce a neat result. If a more conventional butt jointed was used it seems to me that it would be difficult to achieve a neat result either by applying the edge treatment before or after assembly. I don't want to apply beading as I imagine this wouldn't look as good.

I own a large custom cabinet shop, so we make a whole lot of cabinet doors. From your post I am still not clear if you are perhaps talking about entry doors.

Yes, profile top quality router sets for rails and styles are expensive, so you want to be sure you start off with the popular profiles your clients want. I have been collecting such sets for over 50 years, so for years I only need to buy a new set to replace one which cannot be ground one more time. But, if you think the router sets are expensive, ask for quotes for sets of shaper knives to do the same jobs!

In my shop we almost always raise panels for doors and drawer fronts using a large Format 4 tilting arbor shaper with power feed. Those knives cost a lot, but they make a lot of panels before needing sharpening.

We make many pantry doors which are tall and will carry the weight of shelves on the inside. Those need to profile to match the smaller cabinet doors. It is the pantry doors we reinforce with Dominoes. Having made so many similar doors, we know to the 1mm the needed length of each part before the routing. That is when we make the Domino mortice. Everything is calculated so when finished the two mortices on each joint align.

It takes practice to route the cope part of the joint to avoid tear-out because of the mortice, but trust me, this can be done. The mortice in the stick part seem to cause less tear-out.

We mill all of our hardwood in my shop from rough blanks. For the pantry doors, which are seldom close to ordinary cabinet doors, we use 24mm thick stiles and rails instead of the 18mm typical for smaller doors. With the thicker stiles and rails I can use 8mm Dominoes.
 
Hi,

  If you need to buy any bits to do the non-rail / stile cutter methods, then you may want to still consider putting the money into a two piece rail and stile set. They are pricey but personally I think it is the way to go to make the job easy. A two piece set (no panel raiser)  is going to be around a $100 in a quality brand. This place has pretty good prices http://routerbitworld.com/  The rail and stile sets certainly save a lot of steps in the piece making and joining department.

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Oops just noticed you are in the UK so Router Bit World may not work for you. But I will leave it for anyone else looking.

Seth
 
Thanks for the latest suggestions. I think I will experiment and probably buy the rail and stile sets as I need them. In the UK, Wealden and Whiteside are available and very good or I might try Yonico for a cheaper option.
 
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