Rubin vs Granat

[Stephen B]

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I have recently been only able to get Granat rather than Rubin in lower grit sizes from my dealer.

Subjectively I had not been pleased with Granat, believing it to be not as efficient, so decided to put it to the test.

Sander - Rotex 150 in Rotex mode.
Pad - standard.
Grit - Rubin 80, Granat 60 (what I had available ).
Timber - recycled Australian Mountain Ash Floor Board.

Test, ten slow passes.

Result, both gave an excellent result.

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Edit : I had two 'have' s in the first sentence.

 

[jacko9]

My only experience with Rubin was with the sample pack that came with my sander.  Since I was pushing the limits trying out the sander I wasn't impressed with Rubin because I tore the edges (probably operator error).

I then started using Granat and I love this stuff, it seems to last forever.  I mostly use it on bare hardwood.

Jack

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Granat and Rubin (now Rubin 2) should yield similar sanding results on bare wood. Granat is more versatile because it can be used for virtually any sanding task. Granat should keep its cut/bite longer than Rubin generally speaking. That's just one of its properties. However, it's also more expensive per sheet. Really, the choice is yours, but either will do the job on bare wood.

Shane

 

[tjbnwi]

With all the grits in Granat I've been gradually going all Granat going to try it on my Planex soon.

Tom

 

[Stephen B]

Granat and Rubin (now Rubin 2) should yield similar sanding results on bare wood. Granat is more versatile because it can be used for virtually any sanding task. Granat should keep its cut/bite longer than Rubin generally speaking. That's just one of its properties. However, it's also more expensive per sheet. Really, the choice is yours, but either will do the job on bare wood.

Shane

Thanks Shane, the pkts were purchased around a month apart, the price difference was A$0.50 per pkt.

After more sanding of these floorboards this morning, taking off old glue, carpet underlay residue, water stains, plaster dust etc.,. my respect for Granat is increasing.  [smile]

I have also noticed that Rubin 2 will more easily tear at edge when used near old nail holes.

 

[mouppe]

Here's an old thread revival but I had to sand two seats into a solid cherry board yesterday, so after using 60 grit cristal I switched to 100 grit granat on one seat and 100 grit rubin 2 on the second seat. The rubin 2 was easily twice as fast as the granat. I was using my rotex 125 in rotex mode.

I like granat for other applications- especially in the higher grits- but when sanding bare wood I'll continue using rubin 2.

 

[ear3]

Really? I've never tested them side by side on cherry, but for oak, maple, walnut and veneered ply, the granat cuts faster and holds its bite longer in my experience. That holds true for both the rotex and the ets-ec.  I'd be happy to trade you my 120 and 180 grit 150 mm rubin 2 discs for the equivalent in granat!

 

[AlexThePalex]

I find Rubin on hardwood better than Granat or Brilliant. It cuts faster and leaves a nicer colour. It does dull a lot faster so it is more expensive in use.

 

[Ajax]

I'm a big fan of Rubin 2.  It's my goto paper for hardwoods.  Any paint stripping should be done with Granat or Saphir..both eat up everything they face.

With all the doom and gloom about the Kapex, I must say that Festools sanders, sandpapers, and dust collection (the whole system) are exceptional.

 

[Holmz]

I'm a big fan of Rubin 2.  It's my goto paper for hardwoods.  Any paint stripping should be done with Granat or Saphir..both eat up everything they face.

With all the doom and gloom about the Kapex, I must say that Festools sanders, sandpapers, and dust collection (the whole system) are exceptional.

Compared to what?
- A heat gun and a putty knife?
- Other papers?
- Other sanders?
- Other vacuums?

I have not seen much comparing papers quantitatively.
Many other sanders are also quality items.
And many other vacuums are also first rate.
And for paint - in addition to heat guns, there are the knifing cutters/circular-planes that seem to produce less dust.

 

[wptski]

I like granat for other applications- especially in the higher grits- but when sanding bare wood I'll continue using rubin 2.

After a finish was removed using Granat is it or isn't it considered bare wood?

 

[Ajax]

I'm a big fan of Rubin 2.  It's my goto paper for hardwoods.  Any paint stripping should be done with Granat or Saphir..both eat up everything they face.

With all the doom and gloom about the Kapex, I must say that Festools sanders, sandpapers, and dust collection (the whole system) are exceptional.

Compared to what?
- A heat gun and a putty knife?
- Other papers?
- Other sanders?
- Other vacuums?

I have not seen much comparing papers quantitatively.
Many other sanders are also quality items.
And many other vacuums are also first rate.
And for paint - in addition to heat guns, there are the knifing cutters/circular-planes that seem to produce less dust.

I've tried different sanders, papers, shopvacs, heatguns, scrapers, etc.  I like the Festool sanding system.  Just my preference.  I assume you have yours.

 

[AlexThePalex]

I'm a big fan of Rubin 2.  It's my goto paper for hardwoods.  Any paint stripping should be done with Granat or Saphir..both eat up everything they face.

With all the doom and gloom about the Kapex, I must say that Festools sanders, sandpapers, and dust collection (the whole system) are exceptional.

Compared to what?
- A heat gun and a putty knife?
- Other papers?
- Other sanders?
- Other vacuums?

I have not seen much comparing papers quantitatively.
Many other sanders are also quality items.
And many other vacuums are also first rate.
And for paint - in addition to heat guns, there are the knifing cutters/circular-planes that seem to produce less dust.

Holmz ..... you're being completely irrelevant again. This is about Rubin vs granat, not about other sanders, papers or vacs. No need to tell us they're ALSO good.

What's next?

If I tell you I love my girlfriend the most, you gonna tell me other people's girlfriends are good too and I should try them first?

 

[bobfog]

Slight curve ball, but Mirka Abranet/Abranet HD would be my choice over Granat or Rubin

 

[jmbfestool]

I'm a big fan of Rubin 2.  It's my goto paper for hardwoods.  Any paint stripping should be done with Granat or Saphir..both eat up everything they face.

With all the doom and gloom about the Kapex, I must say that Festools sanders, sandpapers, and dust collection (the whole system) are exceptional.

Compared to what?
- A heat gun and a putty knife?
- Other papers?
- Other sanders?
- Other vacuums?

I have not seen much comparing papers quantitatively.
Many other sanders are also quality items.
And many other vacuums are also first rate.
And for paint - in addition to heat guns, there are the knifing cutters/circular-planes that seem to produce less dust.

Holmz ..... you're being completely irrelevant again. This is about Rubin vs granat, not about other sanders, papers or vacs. No need to tell us they're ALSO good.

What's next?

If I tell you I love my girlfriend the most, you gonna tell me other people's girlfriends are good too and I should try them first?

[scared]

[big grin]

 

[Holmz]

[member=5277]Alex[/member]
Irrelevant or irreverent?

I dunno - send me their pictures... And I'll have a look.

The quote was that Rubin2 was great and Granit and Saphir are exceptional.
And that the whole system was expectional, which infers that perhaps other systems are not exceptional.
If they are all exceptional, then they are also all average.
What makes them exceptional?

Just last week I thought you mentioned that you gets papers from some supplier in Europe on the 7/9 hole thread, and that all those papers were just as good.
If those other papers are just as good, then why use the Rubin?

It seems like a valid question?

 

[Ajax]

[member=5277]Alex[/member]
Irrelevant or irreverent?

I dunno - send me their pictures... And I'll have a look.

The quote was that Rubin2 was great and Granit and Saphir are exceptional.
And that the whole system was expectional, which infers that perhaps other systems are not exceptional.
If they are all exceptional, then they are also all average.
What makes them exceptional?

Just last week I thought you mentioned that you gets papers from some supplier in Europe on the 7/9 hole thread, and that all those papers were just as good.
If those other papers are just as good, then why use the Rubin?

It seems like a valid question?

Naw.  Reread please.  You're misquoting me.

Like I said, just my opinion.

 

[Holmz]

The thread title was Rubin and granit and then we had a post about the system being great.
FT's being great does is irrelevant to the OP's question. (Which was what I quoted).

In any case I picked up 1/2 a box from a fellow in San Diego so I'll see for myself.

 

[Ajax]

The thread title was Rubin and granit and then we had a post about the system being great.
FT's being great does is irrelevant to the OP's question. (Which was what I quoted).

In any case I picked up 1/2 a box from a fellow in San Diego so I'll see for myself.

Great.  Enjoy.  It might make you a happier person.