second fix (trim carpentry) madness ?

dirtydeeds

dirtydeeds

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the current price of a veritas low angle block plane is 300 us dollars in england            (at 2 us dollars to the pound)

mine cost me 170 dollars (same ratio) only 18 months ago

madness????????????????????????

no........... if you keep it sharp its the quickest tool on the planet for small / one off second fix work

do not dismiss hand tools

i can shoot an external 45mm door with my block plane
 
DD --- what is the advantage of a low-angled block plane as compared to a "regular" block plane? 

Justin
 
in very simple terms a low angle block plane has a bed angle of 12 and a half degrees

a standard block plane has twice the bed angle around 25 degrees

a low angle block plane can deal with end grain, more easily than standard planes

to cut end grain a blade has to be very sharp and be low angle

a standard block plane may be just as sharp but "judders" (cuts too deeply) on end grain and breaks out

im rather waiting for per or bob to help me with a more errudite / simple explanation
 
Makes sense --- thanks DD ---- are you happy with your Veritas plane(s) ?  All I have is a cheap Stanley that I have set up to the best of my ability and have got it to sing as good as it can (and not bad really)  -- but I'm always looking to move up to something better. 

Justin
 
there aint nothing wrong with a stanley (i had a fixed mouth one) just keep the blade sharp

i used one for a long time, then i made a mistake

......................... i used a veritas

 
DD, Is one to assume from your comments that you felt the difference to be so great that you tossed the stanleys aside like soiled toilet paper?

Being a (up to now) reasonably happy ocaisionally shoving a well tuned stanley about, I'm now thinking there might be something better, my new tool itch is inspired by the fact that I trust your judgement and experience, tell us more.
 
being as careful as possible not to denigrate stanley tools a huge number of carpenters have made their living with them for more than three generations on both sides of the atlantic

my experience, before getting the veritas bug, was with a standard stanley block plane, which is a different beast to a low angle block plane

the fixed mouth i now find is limiting (altough i didnt notice it until i had the veritas)

the low angle of 12 and a half degrees is better for endgrain and man made sheet materials (altough stanley do also make one)

the veritas blade is thicker than the stanley so is less prone to chatter (but wasnt noticable until i had the veritas)

the veritas blade is harder (they say so)  it does however hold an edge longer (but wasnt noticable until i had the veritas)

the veritas is heavier than the stanley (but it isnt that noticable until you carry it in your tool belt all day)

as with ALL planes dead weight improves the quality of cut and reduces the chatter in use

the veritas works happily on the pull/draw stroke (like a japanese plane) as on the push stroke (the way it was designed)

i never did try the stanley on the pull stroke so cannot compare the relative merits

all these minor things (put together) make the veritas a better (altough slightly heavier) tool, in own personal view
 
dirtydeeds said:
being as careful as possible not to denigrate stanley tools a huge number of carpenters have made their living with them for more than two generations on both sides of the atlantic
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Just to be clear, in my post I wasn't trying to align Stanley tools with cheapness, but more just saying that the plane (fixed mouthed) I have seems to be cheap --- I've seen other Stanley block planes that seem to be much better made (both old and new).  This one is one of their low cost models that seems to have been produced during a period of low quality control.  But, it being a chunk of metal and a blade, with a little work in tuning it up, it performs admirably.

Justin
 
if it performs admirably (admirably is FAR better than ok) with the care you put into tuning it

keep it and use it, do not throw it away

and dont spend the huge amounts of dosh you now need for the veritas
 
DD,

No you translated perfectly.

Here in the States we got a guy named Sy Sims

who sells suits. His motto is a educated consumer is our best customer.

Well, with that bit of madison ave in mind I present LN

and this model in particular.

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95 bucks, American.

Per
 
So DD,

When are the good folks over there going to take up the torch's and pitch forks?

This is no way to run a global economy.

P.

PS

And this second fix business, sounds like what Keith Richards does just before work.

Just sayin in my myopic Murrican way.

Per
 
Per,

I have that little bronze gem and love it, but I have to sheepishly say I like this one even better:http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=46791&cat=1,41182,48942

I takes the bumps better than the bronze body. One of mine got really bent when a student knocked it off the bench onto concrete floor. In the hand they have pretty much the same feel.

I have three or four block planes and rotate through them as they need sharpening... They are a bit of a fetish item for me...

- Kit
 
Kit,

Thats cool, no really I think both Veritas a LN are all good,

I thought maybe DD good get a better deal if n he called LN.

But what do I know of oceanic commerce.

About this sheepish stuff.

I would have sheepishly told the student the tuition just went up.

Complaints? take it up with the big bad wolf. ;D

Per
 
per that LN is a beautiful block

thanks for the pitchforks and torches idea

you will not be shocked if i tell you that the Lie Nielson importers have exactly the same pricing policy as veritas importers

the LN low angle block is 220 dollars here

ps have just found the veritas in two other suppliers at the same price about 220 dollars

BUT the previous price of 300 dollars also stands, but it would seem its a sell on merchant
 
secondfix carpentry is what you incorrectly term "trim carpentry"

im saving the "english" language against the "great satan"  8)

this is a one man crusade to convert you to "english"  ::)

while we are at it

i request that "you lot" immediatly stop calling it baseboard and use the correct term skirting board  ;D

and casing should also be corrected to architrave  :-\

that should start a transatlantic war  ;)

says he lighting the fuse  ;D
 
i have to say i am also slightly concerned about the

animal welfare AND spelling "issues" in american carpentry  :P

youve used so many dados they are now extinct in europe

and you are breeding rabbets like no tomorrow

 
Nonsense

DD, Being Murrican we don't second fix nuthin, we do it right the first time.

we are not the type to be skirting a issue, we will never run out of dados, Italy is full of them.

Finally, if we talked to our clients referencing the architrave, they would think

I was talking about a dance party where you could buy ecstasy and maybe hook up with a

someone fresh out of drafting school. Then again, with the way I mumble in real life,

they would be confused to exactly where they should put the pin ball machine.

Call me a silly bugger and tell their friends I'm daft.

Per

 
well im nearly on the floor, lmbo  ;D

for exactness sake, so nobody is confused as to my present location  ;)

im on the ground floor (where the front door is)

NOT upstairs on the first floor where the bedrooms are    ::)
 
im pleased to hear that dados arnt totally extinct in europe

but notice that youve baseboarded your way round the leporidae breeding programme (or is that program  ;)  )

 
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