Setting Pin Nails?

[peter halle]

Nick:

Congrats on being behind.  I hope that means that things have picked up.

Peter

 

[nickao]

Well no it means I have had tool break downs and family issues, plus sick kids. Now all 6 kids are off school with 4 of the  little ones  home all day for the next two weeks. I have been working in the shop at nights, but I am not getting very much done. Most of the clients are holding on, but I may get some cancellations and on top of the new orders not coming in it's a bit nerve racking.

I have an 8-10 week lead time so I have work but no payouts coming in. Once I do catch up hopefully more orders start trickling in. Still, I have never, ever had every job complete with nothing to make next. I always have something already lined up, so in that regard I guess I am doing better than some others out there. If I ever get to the point where all order are out and I have no orders at all to make I will be in trouble, but as of right now I have 13 still to make and get out.

I used to get 1000-2000 different people looking at my site everyday, today I only had 184 unique users and a few days last week  I had less than 50!

 

[Dave Ronyak]

Hi, Nick.

Sorry to hear why you're behind, and I hope that matters improve soon in several areas for you and your family.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!

Dave R.

 

[woodshopdemos]

...I used to get 1000-2000 different people looking at my site everyday, today I only had 184 unique users and a few days last week I had less than 50!

Nick, what do you make of this? We have way different businesses but I have similar website data. I use too get 1000 or so a day and the figure always wowed me even tho I didn't know what the number really meant. Now I get about 58 uniques a day.
   That said, I have found that I can generate the numbers a bit. When I want more visitors, I go thru a number of forums and post applicable responses with a couple of pictures of my "assistants."  The numbers go up. 69% of my uniques are via search engines. I don't know if any of this can help you. I would think that "word of mouth" is your best bet...so maybe you can s tart an email program with a simple letter showing what's  new...and pics of your most recent work. It can come as no surprise to you that your work is always prize winning. You may think it is just another project delivered but to the world, it is an art form they can appreciate.
My two euros.

 

[Neill]

I bought the Grex 635 from Amazon.  I just got it two days ago and have not used it yet.  I checked out all the usual "review" sources and found the Grex to be the best.  I would have bought the 645 or 650 but the general consensus was "why?".  The longer pins tend to deflect with the grain and can end up sticking through the side when pinning close to the edge.

Neill

 

[Notorious T.O.D.]

Interesting in talking about pins and nails deflecting and following the grain when being shot.  I don't use nailer all that much but I was told in the past by a fellow who uses them daily that the nails will only deflect to the left or the right of the nailer and never forward or backward.  I have not tested this but if it is true, and he claimed it was, then the blow-outs as he called them can be eliminated by being sure that you orient the nailer so that the wider part of the part being nailed into is either right or left of the nailer.  The best example of this that I can think of is nailing edging or a facefame to the edge of a piece of plywood.  If you nail with the nailer parallel to the long edge of the plywood you would risk blow-out while if you hold the nailer perpendicular to the plywood edge the nail if it deflects will go either left or right and stay in the plywood rather than blowing-out the face.

Anyone else ever heard this advise?

Best,
Todd

 

[Mike_Chrest]

Todd,

If you nail with the nailer parallel to the long edge of the plywood you would risk blow-out while if you hold the nailer perpendicular to the plywood edge the nail if it deflects will go either left or right and stay in the plywood

That is true for the larger gauge nails because they have a chisel shaped point. They always deflect to the side. I don't know if it is true for the pin nails. A pin-nailer is on my wish list.

Also,sometimes it is difficult to always hold the nailer perpendicular to the work, shoe molding for example.

Mike
 

 

[Notorious T.O.D.]

Mike,

I had a Senco micro pinner about 4=5 years ago that I mostly used for pinning the rail and stile joints on kitchen doors while the glue dried.  I traded it to my buddy in PA when I moved to NC in 2005 and he uses it for the same task in his cabinet shop. If i get another I will probably look at the GREX too.

The whole thing with the air nailers and the direction the nails bend never even crossed my mind until that fellow mentioned it to me....lol

Best,
Todd

 

[Eli]

Also,sometimes it is difficult to always hold the nailer perpendicular to the work, shoe molding for example.

upside down of course, pinkie on the trigger! 

 

[justinh]

Filing the nose of the Senco gun makes a big difference.  I have used the Cadex and Grex side by side and chose the Cadex for myself because of it's ability to shoot slight head brads as well as pins.  If there is enough of a pin protruding you can usually bend it back and forth a few times and it breaks off below the surface of the wood.  In cases where there is a small amount of a pin protruding I will either file it down flush or drop the nails from the gun and dryfire it over the pin.  It's not the best thing for the driver blade but it usually leaves a smaller hole than a nailset.

Justin

 

[nickao]

Filing the nose? I'll try that on some of my old guns I hate, it's worth a try.

Do you have a pic, how much do you file it?

 

[Fox River interiors]

Hi,
  I have the same issue with my senco pin nailer in hardwoods.I simply removed the nails (from the gun) and located the nose of the nailer precisely above the unset pin and dryfired (possibly hard on the nailer but not needed too often?)to set any pins left above the surface.I am saving up for the cadex 21.50 pin nailer because of the slight increase in nail diameter and because the cadex shoots slight head pins as well as the headless 2" pins.
  The gun also has a blower attached to the gun and a swivel hose connector. The cadex nails are purportedly a higher quality steel as well so the longer pins are less apt to blow out the side of your trim face as well.Grex seems comparable but i like the seeming quality of the cadex better.Good luck!
P.s Be extra carefull with the senco with no safety.I shot myself in the arm once. 

 

[peter halle]

Fox River,

Glad you took the time to join us here.  [welcome].

Peter

 

[Brice Burrell]

It is fairly common to file or grind a small amount of the nose of the gun to make them set deeper. I would make sure the pressure was high enough , and the gun was properly lubricated (unless it is oil less) before I tried this. You should make sure you are not going to damage anything on your particular gun before doing this but if the gun doesn't work and you can't return it it's worth trying.
Donald

I see Donald already offered the best advice to solving this problem. I did this to my freebie PC pinner that came with a PC router. It made all the difference in the world.