Shaper Origin for 32mm

[joemodern]

Looking at the Origin for some projects I have lined up and always thinking, even before I have one, what other uses it might have for me.

Does anyone use an Origin for 32 boring?

Right now I am using the LR32 system and generally like it. I use it fairly often but certainly not production like, so the slowness of setting it up is okay but thinking that origin could do it all in one basic setup from the hinges, slides, and even a dado for the backs.

What do you all think about this?

 

[Kanuka]

If you're making one shelf and know how to draw exactly what you want it'll work just fine. If you have no experience with 2D vector drawing or if you're making dozens and dozens of shelves it's vastly simpler to simply lay the rail down and go than it is to deal with the tape.

 

[tallgrass]

I have had the Origin for for over 2 years. while I love it and it has its strengths it is not a good production tool, or a replacement for the speed of jigs. It is great for making the jigs, then using the classic router technique for speed and rapidity.  you could use it for what you wish. those wishing to use it for hinges and such make fixtures that allow the origin to do these tasks with ease. Have you been to the Origin forum? If not you should. There is an ever expanding library of files that you can down load. I think there is a file there that covers what you are looking for. Look in the Sharper Hub or in the community.
https://hub.shapertools.com/

 

[joemodern]

Thanks to both of you, all that makes perfect sense.

 

[DynaGlide]

I have had the Origin for for over 2 years. while I love it and it has its strengths it is not a good production tool, or a replacement for the speed of jigs. It is great for making the jigs, then using the classic router technique for speed and rapidity.  you could use it for what you wish. those wishing to use it for hinges and such make fixtures that allow the origin to do these tasks with ease. Have you been to the Origin forum? If not you should. There is an ever expanding library of files that you can down load. I think there is a file there that covers what you are looking for. Look in the Sharper Hub or in the community.
https://hub.shapertools.com/

The template making aspect of the origin is what appeals to me.

 

[tallgrass]

This is an under promoted idea. You can have vast "template" libraries that are easy to adjust, simply loading the file and going. it changes the effort for making jigs and the hours that go along with that.

 

[xedos]

Making a jigs shouldn't take hours.  At least for the professional. The reason for the jig is to save man hours and be more competitive or to make the operation safer.

For the professional putzer or DIYer , sure.  It's part of the enjoyment.

Origin is a nice little product.  But as mentioned , it's definitely not a production tool for prob. 99% of users. I'll guess a significant number of owners don't utilize it enough doing paying work to justify the purchase.  Which makes it a nice toy or collectible.

 

[joemodern]

Sorry.

 

[tallgrass]

I would not call it a toy. I use it a great deal for the area that is excels. I have CNC laths, mills, and routers. This machine fills a unique and useful spot in my workflow. The idea that jigs should not take a long time to make assumes that jigs are somehow allawys simplistic. If we are talking about a jig for a door hings or some such I understand. The ability for this to make jigs with complex geometric considerations is a god send.  As with any tool, the tool gets better with time. As you use it, you are also building a library of files that you can easily reference and more importantly modify and adjust with ease. Something you can not do with a jig that is made in the classic fashion. One aspect of this machine is that the "jigs "become digital files that can be scaled and moved as you see fit in any orientation of your choosing. How long would it take for you to combine regular jigs into a hybrid and then start cutting, with accuracy? With the Origin this can be done done faster while drinking coffee than you could in the classic manner. In the profession world, work velocity is the key. Do I still use my 2 ton 5x10 foot cnc router as well as my other machines, of course. like most tools, there are areas of core company as well as marginal use conditions. Choosing the right tool for a given application is key.

 

[Kanuka]

Making a jigs shouldn't take hours.  At least for the professional.

Jigs can vary in complexity quite significantly and in cases of commercial products can take numerous people with many more engineering degrees than a marginally literate boomer handyman will ever see in his lifetime months and millions of dollars to design, fabricate, test and validate. "Professional" is an equally vague and oftentimes misleading term as some people falsely assume that the fact that they are paid to pretend to know what they're talking about must mean that they actually do. This is demonstrably untrue.

 

[tallgrass]

In my case I am a Mechanical engineer. I am involved in R&D and the unique capacity of a cnc system with flexibility is at times shocking. IT is not a wonder tool. As an old say says....if all you have is a hammer , everything looks like a nail. This tool brings a different possibility .... always a good thing in my mind.

 

[Cheese]

Another advantage of the Shaper not mentioned is that all of those traditionally fabricated "jigs & fixtures" take up a lot of space. Any fixture I fabricate is dated and is noted as to what job it performs. Well 20+ years later I have a corner of the shop filled with fixtures just in case I need to use it again. It'd be a lot nicer to just pull up a Shaper file instead.  [smile]

 

[joemodern]

For me it seems like the ability to clamp stock vertically and cut digital joints for drawers quickly and perfectly is a nice thing that is hard to do on a traditional CNC.

 

[xedos]

For me it seems like the ability to clamp stock vertically and cut digital joints for drawers quickly and perfectly is a nice thing that is hard to do on a traditional CNC.

This would seem appealing to a hobbyist doing a fancy sideboard, but for those doing a kitchen's worth of drawers, much better, cheaper, and faster options present themselves. 

 

[Cheese]

This would seem appealing to a hobbyist doing a fancy sideboard, but for those doing a kitchen's worth of drawers, much better, cheaper, and faster options present themselves.

Ya for me it's called Fleetwoods.
http://www.fleetwoods.net

I literally can barely purchase the lumber needed to make a drawer for the price they charge for a finished assembly.

5/8" thick maple sides with a 1/4" maple ply bottom, dovetailed, glued and notched & drilled for Blumotion slides. A 7" tall x 21" deep x 27.5" wide drawer box is $54.

[attachimg=1] 

[attachimg=2]

 

[Cheese]

Just saw this today, Shaper will be releasing a jig/fixture on St. Patty's day. It looks rather interesting. I like the tenon machining capabilities.

Shaper Origin is a one-of-a-kind tool that brings CNC precision cutting to a wide variety of projects. It is designed to be easy to use, featuring an intuitive interface, simple on-tool CAD designs, and ability to use it without advanced programming skills. Origin is also versatile. The tool is portable, and can cut with equal precision whether you’re working in your shop or onsite.

There are many aspects that influence precision, and proper fixturing is one of the most important. That's why we're excited to announce a way to increase precision cutting for your shop. Shaper Workstation is our newest, all-in-one workspace and fixturing solution for your benchtop cutting operations.

Workstation is designed to streamline and expand upon Origin’s abilities, offering rapid, repeatable and precise fixturing of a wide
range of stock configurations. In many ways, Origin + Workstation is the solution to unlocking next-level projects in your shop.

Spend Less Time Planning, More Time Cutting

Shaper Workstation features a reusable tape field, easily adjustable shelf for small workpieces, and intuitive indexing pins for alignment and registration. This greatly reduces setup time and makes it easier than ever to get cutting straight out of the box.

Shaper Workstation aggregates all of our experience and learnings from years of home-built fixtures, and introduces high-quality and precision-manufactured and components for the ultimate out-of-the-box setup. And because Shaper Workstation is designed in-house here at Shaper, it’s uniquely suited to take advantage of Origin’s on-tool design software, including the Grid tool, Box Joint Basic, and plenty of other software features in development.

Shaper Workstation will be available for pre-order beginning March 17 through our online store or through any of our 70+ retailers throughout the United States.

We’ll be following up with further information about Workstation in the coming weeks. In the meantime, mark your calendars for March 17.  If you’ve been considering Origin already, you can feel even more confident that you can be productive with it from day one. We look forward to seeing the complete system in action on your workbench.

[attachimg=1]

 

[DynaGlide]

Just saw this today, Shaper will be releasing a jig/fixture on St. Patty's day. It looks rather interesting. I like the tenon machining capabilities.

Shaper Origin is a one-of-a-kind tool that brings CNC precision cutting to a wide variety of projects. It is designed to be easy to use, featuring an intuitive interface, simple on-tool CAD designs, and ability to use it without advanced programming skills. Origin is also versatile. The tool is portable, and can cut with equal precision whether you’re working in your shop or onsite.

There are many aspects that influence precision, and proper fixturing is one of the most important. That's why we're excited to announce a way to increase precision cutting for your shop. Shaper Workstation is our newest, all-in-one workspace and fixturing solution for your benchtop cutting operations.

Workstation is designed to streamline and expand upon Origin’s abilities, offering rapid, repeatable and precise fixturing of a wide
range of stock configurations. In many ways, Origin + Workstation is the solution to unlocking next-level projects in your shop.

Spend Less Time Planning, More Time Cutting

Shaper Workstation features a reusable tape field, easily adjustable shelf for small workpieces, and intuitive indexing pins for alignment and registration. This greatly reduces setup time and makes it easier than ever to get cutting straight out of the box.

Shaper Workstation aggregates all of our experience and learnings from years of home-built fixtures, and introduces high-quality and precision-manufactured and components for the ultimate out-of-the-box setup. And because Shaper Workstation is designed in-house here at Shaper, it’s uniquely suited to take advantage of Origin’s on-tool design software, including the Grid tool, Box Joint Basic, and plenty of other software features in development.

Shaper Workstation will be available for pre-order beginning March 17 through our online store or through any of our 70+ retailers throughout the United States.

We’ll be following up with further information about Workstation in the coming weeks. In the meantime, mark your calendars for March 17.  If you’ve been considering Origin already, you can feel even more confident that you can be productive with it from day one. We look forward to seeing the complete system in action on your workbench.

[attachimg=1]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] They're selling it for $450 USD

I'm sure its useful but that price is about twice what I'd expect it to be.

 

[jimbo51]

"I'm sure its useful but that price is about twice what I'd expect it to be."

Uh, Festool is the parent company.

On the bright side, this rig can be used to make Dominos or Domino plugs from any wood which was discussed in other threads.

 

[DynaGlide]

"I'm sure its useful but that price is about twice what I'd expect it to be."

Uh, Festool is the parent company.

On the bright side, this rig can be used to make Dominos or Domino plugs from any wood which was discussed in other threads.

I mean TTS is the parent not Festool, albeit with a Festool spindle. .but I see your point.

Would you mind linking to the Domino thread(s)? Searching that is kind of difficult. The Origin is on my list a couple years out so I'm interested in all the stuff it can do.

 

[Cheese]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] They're selling it for $450 USD

I'm sure its useful but that price is about twice what I'd expect it to be.

Thanks for that...I "guesstimated" It'd be in the $250-$350 region considering the machining that TSO, Woodpecker & Seneca perform.  Surprised it's at $450 but then again I'd like to see a closeup of the angle setting feature and see if there's anything magic there. [smile]

Here's what I found about Dominos/tenons.
https://hub.shapertools.com/search?search=tenons

This is rather interesting.

[attachimg=1]