Short drawer slides

[Packard]

I am designing a console “table” for my entryway.  It will be wall mounted with no legs (floating).  It will be 13” deep, 7” from top to bottom and 24” wide.  I am planning on either one wide drawer or two narrow drawers.

It seems that I will have to use 10” drawer slides.  I was thinking of using Accuride’s 10” full extension slides. 

I have never used drawer slides this short.  Are there any issues unique to short slides?  I have made 24” wide drawers in the past.  Will the short travel be an issue in 24” width? 

I think a single drawer would look better with a cleaner face.  I will probably leave off the pull hardware.  It will also be a faster and cheaper build. 

Any thoughts on the drawer slide hardware? 

 

[squall_line]

Does it need slides?  I would imagine the drawer itself is light enough that a friction fit would suffice and still provide enough travel to get anything that happens to fall to the back of the drawer.

 

[Michael Kellough]

The wider the drawer is relative to depth (front to back) the more likely it is to cock and jam. I’d use slides.

 

[jeffinsgf]

10" x 24" is sort of an odd shape to shoot for a friction fit. Seems to me it would rack easily. Might be a fun challenge, but it could turn ugly. I haven't used 10" full extensions, but I've used a lot of 14"s with no issues at all.

 

[Packard]

I’ve only ever made drawers with those 3/4 powder coated slides and with full extension side mount slides.  I’ve never made a fitted drawer, but I have used them.  The small drawers that rest on a desktop seem OK, as they have support even when pulled out.  But in other applications they seem to tip down (or fall on the floor) if pulled out too far, which is easy to do with a very short drawer.

I think I will use commercial slides.

I made my mom a 12” x 12” (approximate) 8 drawer stack on casters for her needle work supplies.  That worked fine with the 3/4 powder coated slides for many years.

I’m probably worrying too much about this.

Thanks for the replies.

 

[SGreenberg]

I used Blum hardware for very similar size drawers, no problems at all. They've been in use for about three years now, still work fine.

 

[Packard]

Thanks.  Did you use Blum under mount or their side mount powder coated slides?  Soft close seems a little over the top for such small drawers.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

I think you are overthinking it. With metal ball-bearing slides, it will be fine. I have done drawers in as many configurations are you would care to count. Wide, short, angled faces, radius faces, you name it. Angled faces where the slides are several inches out of square to the back of the cabinet are rather wild looking.
The one under the end of my assembly table is 40" wide, 20" deep, and pretty well overloaded.
They all open just fine.
The reddish looking one in the pic was 5 degrees out of square. That made it close enough to keep the guide equal. The curved one was off a lot more. It required 2 different lengths and you still had to engage one side long before the other.
The want to go straight, the enemy of drawer guides is being too tight. Most of the side mount sets will tell you to make the drawer 1" smaller than the opening, taking an additional 1/16" helps.

 

[Packard]

I’m just going to build it and see what happens.  My kitchen project is on a temporary hold as I’ve run out of hinges.  They are on order, so this little project is a nice fill-in until the hinges arrive.

Thanks,

Packard

 

[mike_aa]

[member=74278]Packard[/member] 

Not sure if this would be helpful for your purpose, but in their KlearVue kitchen cabinet line, Menards sells a 24 inch wide drawer kit to fit a 14 inch deep cabinet.  It has the slides built in.
https://www.menards.com/main/kitche...it/ka0005/p-1444438786278-c-1464384999723.htm

I believe the actual drawer dimensions are smaller since it's designed to fit into a cabinet box that is that width and depth overall.

Mike A.

 

[Packard]

[member=74278]Packard[/member] 

Not sure if this would be helpful for your purpose, but in their KlearVue kitchen cabinet line, Menards sells a 24 inch wide drawer kit to fit a 14 inch deep cabinet.  It has the slides built in.
https://www.menards.com/main/kitche...it/ka0005/p-1444438786278-c-1464384999723.htm

I believe the actual drawer dimensions are smaller since it's designed to fit into a cabinet box that is that width and depth overall.

Mike A.

Actually, there is a jog around my fireplace into the entryway.  I want the console to be flush with the jog when complete.  I will post an image.  I don’t think my description is clear. 

In any case, the limiting size is the depth of the jog.  When I get home, I will post the images.

 

[Packard]

The mirrors are coming off, and the colors on the wall are sample colors.  If I make it 24” wide, there will remain 27 to 28 inches of walk through.  So I cannot go much longer.  I want the console to align with the mirrored section.  (I am going to add a wallpaper accent to replace the mirrors.

(The image is not loading.  I’m going to have to play with this a bit.  OK.  Got it. 

It is easier to visualize the jog if you scroll to the bottom of the picture.  The wall to floor junction clearly shows the offset.

This was a very “high tech” fireplace in the early 1950s, I think it was called a “heatolator”.  It resulted in a massive chimney.  But since it did not include an intake vent from outdoors, it creates a negative air pressure in the house and as a result a fire makes the house colder than if none were used.

https://i.imgur.com/kdGgexH.jpg[img]

[img]https://www.canadianhomeinspection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Heatilator-Insert-Venting.png