Some New Domino Information

[bronx]

Question to Bob; are the pins you mention just like in the image below?

If not I think I'm also entitled to the new fence 

  No worries - that's the pins or "paddles".

Bob
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I might not be to bright but  :    : Is there going to be another design besides the 2 we have seen allready? (pins and paddles)

As i remember there was rumers about a lawsuit making festool change design becaurse they were to close to the design of this one: http://www.dm-tools.co.uk/reviews/MafellDD40.pdf

See this posting: http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=3428.30

Thomas

 

[Brice Burrell]

Thomas, the FOG thread you linked to discussing a "new Domino" indexing pin design is referring to the same paddle design discussed in this thread.

 

[Forrest Anderson]

The new fence has square stops flaps (that can be locked via set screws), are easy to adjust or replace and won't catch unintentionaly in the adjacent mortise slot.

There appears to be a bit of confusion over the pins/flaps that are going to be used as indexing stops on the new yet-to-be-released fence.

The first Domino had round metal sprung pins, one of which was adjustable sideways, whilst the newer version of the Domino had black plastic "paddles" or "flippers" (unadjustable but easily replaceable). Both are shown in the photos below, taken from the 2008/09 and 2009 Festool USA Catalogues:

Bob - I know that you are just working on what you've been told at the moment, and that information is scant. but is it your understanding that the new fence will have a third method of indexing, using square pins, one of which is adjustable?

Forrest

 

[Bob Marino]

The new fence has square stops flaps (that can be locked via set screws), are easy to adjust or replace and won't catch unintentionaly in the adjacent mortise slot.

There appears to be a bit of confusion over the pins/flaps that are going to be used as indexing stops on the new yet-to-be-released fence.

The first Domino had round metal sprung pins, one of which was adjustable sideways, whilst the newer version of the Domino had black plastic "paddles" or "flippers" (unadjustable but easily replaceable). Both are shown in the photos below, taken from the 2008/09 and 2009 Festool USA Catalogues:

Bob - I know that you are just working on what you've been told at the moment, and that information is scant. but is it your understanding that the new fence will have a third method of indexing, using square pins, one of which is adjustable?

Forrest
 

Forrest,

Sorry for the delay in posting a response. The terminology is lending to the confusion. The fence we are getting is the fence that you pictured here. The "stops"/"paddles"  are what we will be getting and as you correctly point out  are "retractable" but not "adjustable".

Bob

 

[bionicus]

Aside from what's already been mentioned in the thread, are there any other pros / cons to the new design? I've been looking to get my mitts on a Domino any day here but with this refreshed model on the horizon I'm hesitant to pull the trigger.

 

[Bob Marino]

Aside from what's already been mentioned in the thread, are there any other pros / cons to the new design? I've been looking to get my mitts on a Domino any day here but with this refreshed model on the horizon I'm hesitant to pull the trigger.

I am still awaiting  mine, but the ability to easiy retract and lock the paddles out of the way seems pretty convenient.

Bob

 

[roadking06]

So is it me or does this new indexing paddle design forego one from indexing from a previously cut mortise? In essence this new paddle design will only allow one to index from the side of the material being mortised.

What about the trim stop accessories?  Are they still retractable pins or are they going to be new paddles? If they are still old spring loaded pins why are are ok for the trim stop but not the domino itself?

 

[David Makseyn]

Hi Bob,
I just wanted to say thanks for all the help you provide to the group. It's like having an 'inside man' at Festool!
A question: Will the new fence retrofit to the existing machines?
Another question: Any hope of square drive centrotec bits anytime soon? You know, the cool looking long ones that are in the centrotec set.
Thanks,
Dave

 

[Bob Marino]

Hi Bob,
I just wanted to say thanks for all the help you provide to the group. It's like having an 'inside man' at Festool!
A question: Will the new fence retrofit to the existing machines?
Another question: Any hope of square drive centrotec bits anytime soon? You know, the cool looking long ones that are in the centrotec set.
Thanks,
Dave

Dave,

Thanks for the kind words!
Yes, it will; that's what I am getting - the new fence. I am not  sure and will ask, but regarding Festool square drives...well, let's say I am not holding  my breath  : .

Bob

 

[tom.smith]

Has anybody done a review of a Domino with the new pins? I haven't found any newer reviews via google, at any rate. Our European, Australian, etc. friends have had access to the new design for a few months now. If the consensus is that the new might be worse than the old in at least some situations, I'll buy one of the old ones today and add on the upgrade kit once it becomes available. That would give me the best of both worlds. I'm really on the fence about this. I would like a domino for the face-framed kitchen cabinet job I'm working on right now, but my Woodrat can easily tide me over if it's worth the wait for the new design. Traditional M & Ts are pretty good, too.

 

[RogerF]

While we are on the subject of Dominoes and their pins can some one enlighten me as to the proper use of the pins, whether on the fence or the outboard extensions, when indexing off an adjacent mortise.
1, I use the pins to index off the edge of the workpiece to align the first mortise in each piece so that the mating pieces are aligned in two axes. For the subsequent mortises, one side gets the regular width and the corresponding piece gets the wider slots. Setting index pins in the wider slots ensures that the mortices will NOT align. I just mark my mortise locations with a pencil.
2, When indexing off the outer edge of a miter joint, the round pins can damage the corner if one is not careful. Perhaps the square flaps will be kinder to the sharp corner.
3, Can anyone over the age of forty actually read the blue on blue mm scale on the extensions and narrow stock accessory without a magnifying glass? Room for improvement there.
4, For 5X30 mm dominoes one sets the depth stop to 15. Why, then does the UK information posted above show that the setting for 4X20 mm dominoes is 20 mm? I guess the cutter must be shorter. Answered my own question. That's cool as no retrofit is needed.
5, While I'm at it, my thoughts on the new fence: I would like to see three improvements to the existing one.
i) Address the clamping issue that can cause the height to slip sometimes during operations. (Mine is much better now that I have modified it on the advice of a thread on this board about this but it still pays to check.)
ii) Allow a lower fence height for narrower stock.
iii) Give us a hairline scale for custom fence height that is worthy of this machine's precision.

 

[Brice Burrell]

While we are on the subject of Dominoes and their pins can some one enlighten me as to the proper use of the pins, whether on the fence or the outboard extensions, when indexing off an adjacent mortise.
1, I use the pins to index off the edge of the workpiece to align the first mortise in each piece so that the mating pieces are aligned in two axes. For the subsequent mortises, one side gets the regular width and the corresponding piece gets the wider slots. Setting index pins in the wider slots ensures that the mortices will NOT align. I just mark my mortise locations with a pencil..............

Rodger, the basic idea is to use the wider mortices on both pieces not just one, that way your mortices lineup down the workpiece. Of course you don't have to do it that way, your pencil method works well too.

 

[Tezzer]

Rodger, the basic idea is to use the wider mortices on both pieces not just one, that way your mortices lineup down the workpiece. Of course you don't have to do it that way, your pencil method works well too.

I am the opposite. (say a table top) I use the index pin only on one end of the board on the tight setting, so just one end of the top is aligned. Then pencil marked all the way down the board and one side is Domied  tight and the other side on the 2nd wide setting. Its so much easier to align when one side has a  snug fitting Domino straight, entering into a wider slot.

 

[RogerF]

Brice,
Thanks, that makes sense.
Tezzer,
Yes, that's the method I have been using. At least the pencil marks ensure that you are registering off the correct surface.
Roger

 

[Dan Clermont]

So this is available soon? I've been saving my pennies for one. I'll wait until the new unit is available to Canadians. Thanks for the info.

Hi Mathew,

The new Domino will be available in Canada August 1.

We have very limited stock left on the older version.

Will keep you posted

Dan Clermont

 

[John Stevens]

the basic idea is to use the wider mortices on both pieces not just one, that way your mortices lineup down the workpiece.

Hi, Brice.  The only reservation I have with that method is that it's just so convenient to use the narrow setting on one side so you can just pop in the tenons and know that you can't have misalignment with the mortises on the other side.  With your method, it's unlikely that you'll have a tenon misaligned with the matching mortise if you use a little care, but some folks like chocolate and others like vanilla.

Regards,

John

 

[Brice Burrell]

the basic idea is to use the wider mortices on both pieces not just one, that way your mortices lineup down the workpiece.

Hi, Brice.  The only reservation I have with that method is that it's just so convenient to use the narrow setting on one side so you can just pop in the tenons and know that you can't have misalignment with the mortises on the other side.  With your method, it's unlikely that you'll have a tenon misaligned with the matching mortise if you use a little care, but some folks like chocolate and others like vanilla.

Regards,

John

Sorry, I didn't explain the method basic correctly. The first mortise on both pieces should be the narrow setting to align the pieces then cut the wider mortises. This is the method shown in Festool's promotional videos. I'm not suggesting the pencil method isn't a good method at all, it works very but is a bit slower. I like the ability to use the Domino in more of a production mode, this is where the wider mortise method is a better choice.

 

[Tim2178]

The new fence has square stops flaps (that can be locked via set screws), are easy to adjust or replace and

Hi Bob.

I didn't realize you could lock the flaps out of the way via set screws.  Is this in the directions?  I don't remember reading that.  Me personally,  don't care to have pins or flaps there.

Thanks for all the information!

-Tim