Some things I learned while at Cabinet and Router class

Jeff Hein

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I was fortunate enough to be able to attend both the Advanced router class in Las Vegas last week, and Cabinet class in Lebanon this week. I saw both classrooms, and both instructors. I am sure much of what I am going to list below has been talked about before, but until I actually go and do/see some of this stuff, it doesn't necessarily sink in with me.

Here is a small list of things I picked up while at class.
1. Stop using inch measurements while making cabinets. Invest in a Fastcap True32 tape and make all of your cabinets in Metric. The True32 tapes have small dots every 32mm on the tape. If you have a inch measurement you want to try to match, round it up or down until you get to a standard 32mm interval.

2. The LR32 hole drilling system is fast and accurate. I now own one of these after using it a few times. It will definitely speed up my cabinets, the key is you need to start making your cabinets heights in intervals of 32mm (i.e. 768mm high)

3. All of the festool routers have center lines scribed into the bases. When doing layout on your cabinet for dado's/grooves, just mark the center line on the workpiece and then line up the router base to that center line and you will have great results.  Even though the MFK700 doesn't plunge, once you get your depth set, you can remove the motor from the base to do all of your alignment work, and then re-attach the motor and go (AWESOME!)

4. All festool routers (including the MFK700) can micro-adjust in 1/10 mm increments (about 1/256th of an inch)

5. If you buy a MFS router template system, you will need to get a 30mm guide bushing for your router (not included, but needed if you do any circle or arc work)

6. Once the parallel guides are calibrated to your saw, they are VERY accurate.

7. Watching the RAS 115.04 scribe to a line in a cabinet is AWESOME. We had a live demo of this: Youtube video  If Festool would sell to us while we were on site, they would have sold several of these!

8. The depth stop on the TS55 moves at 1mm intervals. If this is not granular enough for you, you can insert a screw into the small hole on the top of the depth adjustment and "micro-adjust" your blade depth.

9. If you want to trim hardwood edging on a shelf, get the Edge Plate, Angle Arm, and Chip deflector. Using the 1010 router, you can flush trim edge banding up to 1 3/4" deep. The MFK700 will also trim edging, but it is limited to 5/8" deep using the horizontal base.

10. Get an interface pad for your sander. Using an interface pad allows you to sand round-overs and other "non-flat" surfaces with your Rotex 150/125/90 or ETS sanders.  I have not considered getting a interface pad before, as I only thought they were used for polishing applications. After using one, I found it to be a nice accessory for the sanders.

11. Festool is now selling large rolls of foam-backed Granat sandpaper. These are perforated so you get a nice sized sheet for hand sanding. We used these in cabinet class, and they just felt good in your hand. These are going to be awesome for "in-between" finishing coats. I already have a couple of boxes on order. Here is a link to the products on Tool-nuts page: http://www.festoolproducts.com/Festool-Sandpaper-Rolls-s/113.htm

12. The new Carvex Jigsaws do allow you to easily see your cut-line while cutting!!! I tested both the corded and and cordless model. I love the fact that you can see the cut line easily, and that blade appears to be "stopped" due to the strobe lights. Frank Pellow actually tried to trade his wallet for the demo unit after testing it out :-). If I were to pick one, I would probably choose the corded barrel group. The cordless and corded versions seemed fairly equivalent, but I like the fact that I can cycle the dust extractor on/off with the corded version. We did test several battery types on the cordless carvex, and a 12v 1.3amp battery from a C12 powers the new carvex just fine...neat stuff.

13. The new C12 drill with the 1.3 amp lithium battery is light!!! I can't believe how lightweight the new lithium battery is. I am definitely getting one of the new C12 drills once they are available. It is not really that much bigger than the CXS... After using both the CXS and the new C12, I am going to go with the C12.

14. The MFS is a template guide for making circles, arcs, squares, rectangles, and much more. If you want super accurate cuts using the included scales on the MFS rails, get a 10mm bit for your router, This makes the layout/calculation much easier.  It is best to use the guides to make a template (i.e. a large circle out of MDF), and then use the mdf on your final material (i.e. cherry table top)

15. The scales (repeatable stops) on the Kapex UG miter saw station work very well. Before using them, I didn't think they could be nearly as good as my Kreg Miter saw fences, but I found them very accurate and easy to set. If was using my Kapex outside of the shop, I would bet investing in the Kapex UG stand/wings.

I can't really recommend one Festool training location over another. Both trainers are great. If you have a chance to attend a class, I highly recommend it.
 
I would like to see more information on your item number 10, the interface pad. Maybe a video.
 
Jeff Hein said:
7. Watching the RAS 115.04 scribe to a line in a cabinet is AWESOME. We had a live demo of this: Youtube video  If Festool would sell to us while we were on site, they would have sold several of these!

Thanks for the summary! That video is pretty wicked. Good thing I don't do much scribing or else I would be looking to buy one!
 
Does anybody know where I can get info on building with 32mm.
Maybe a video or a good link? I have a set of kitchen cabinets to build and would like to try this method out.
Thanks
Marc
 
Jeff Hein said:
2. The LR32 hole drilling system is fast and accurate. I now own one of these after using it a few times. It will definitely speed up my cabinets, the key is you need to start making your cabinets heights in intervals of 32mm (i.e. 768mm high)

So to clarify, is it the overall board dimensions that much be in multiples of 32mm?

Ie, if I have a side which "full height" and the top/bottom are contained within the sides (not sure how to word that!),
then the total length to cut the side is in 32mm increments? What if your top/bottom overlap on top of the sides?
 
fritter63 said:
So to clarify, is it the overall board dimensions that much be in multiples of 32mm?

Ie, if I have a side which "full height" and the top/bottom are contained within the sides (not sure how to word that!),
then the total length to cut the side is in 32mm increments? What if your top/bottom overlap on top of the sides?

Yes, the sides are in a increment of 32mm. The top and bottom will fit inbetween the sides. The top and bottom panels to not actually to on the very top/bottom of the sides, they fit in-between the sides.

Hope this makes sense.  The idea is that a screw does not go directly up into a cabinet. A screw/domino/dado goes through the side of the cabinet to hold the bottom and top in place.
 
Marc2010 said:
Does anybody know where I can get info on building with 32mm.
Maybe a video or a good link? I have a set of kitchen cabinets to build and would like to try this method out.
Thanks
Marc

Here is a good video done by Steve (The Festool trainer based out of Las Vegas) - 2 parts:
Part 1:
Part 2:
 
Marc2010 said:
Does anybody know where I can get info on building with 32mm.
Maybe a video or a good link? I have a set of kitchen cabinets to build and would like to try this method out.
Thanks
Marc
Try this
 
Thanks Guys I watched the videos and saved the books. It makes more sense to me now. It also makes me want to get the LR rail and kit. I have been wanting them for a while and now I need them, unfortunately (fortunately) I just bought the Kapex and other goodies and need to save up a bit.  If I'm going to start out do I need the short rail / Long rail or both ? 

Marc
 
Marc2010 said:
Thanks Guys I watched the videos and saved the books. It makes more sense to me now. It also makes me want to get the LR rail and kit. I have been wanting them for a while and now I need them, unfortunately (fortunately) I just bought the Kapex and other goodies and need to save up a bit.  If I'm going to start out do I need the short rail / Long rail or both ? 

Marc

Currently Festool USA does not sell the 42" (1080mm) LR32 guide rail. In the world of cabinet making that actually was long enough for normal base and uppers. The currently available LR32 rails are the 55" (1400mm) cat 496 939 and the 95" (2424mm) cat 491 622.

The long rail is used for book cases, closet organizers, pantries and so on. What many folks find is that the 1400mm rail makes clamping easier on base and uppers. When drilling LR32 holes the least slip causes all kinds of problems. Clamping is thus very important.

Introduced with the new Festool USA catalog is cat 496 938 "LR32 Guide Rail Connector" Those are a pair which work like the ordinary rail connector aligning the rails while ensuring the hole spacing is accurately 32mm on center.

Besides an OF1010 or OF1400 Festool plunge router you will need 5mm bits for the adjustable holes, 8mm bits for construction holes and a 35mm bit for hinge mortises. The LR32 Guide Plate connects the router to the LR32 rails with an index pin to pick up the holes. Most of us buy the cat 584 100 LR32 Hole Drilling Set in Systainer (Sys 1) which contains everything you need except the router and LR32 guide rail or rails.
 
So here's the big question:

Since my dealer didn't alert me to the option of swapping the standard guide rails for the LR32s, and I now have two (used) standard
rails, should I:

- eBay both standards and replace with LR32 1400?

- eBay one standard and replace with one LR32 1400? (I'm assuming they are interchangeable for joining?)

- Buy the 95" LR32 (difficult when not needed, not sure how much I'd use it)
 
Jeff, that's a good list and I am sure that it will be of assistance to many folks here on the forum.  

I enjoyed meeting you and I hope to see you again at another class or event.

You are bang on about the Carvex and I, too, want the barrel grip corded version.  I have had the old Festool PS2 jigsaw for over 7 years and I use it A LOT.  Last year, the saw finally need a few repairs, and now it is going strong again.  But, I never bought into the "propaganda" from Festool that you could follow a curved line when the dust shroud was attached.  With the Carvex, you can do this.  There are also a large number of other enhancements.  So, my next Festool purchase will be a Carvex -but I be keeping my PS2 and I have a couple of specialized  uses in mind for it (more on that later if I actually do something along the lines of what I am thinking about).
 
fritter63 said:
So here's the big question:

Since my dealer didn't alert me to the option of swapping the standard guide rails for the LR32s, and I now have two (used) standard
rails, should I:

- eBay both standards and replace with LR32 1400?

- eBay one standard and replace with one LR32 1400? (I'm assuming they are interchangeable for joining?)

- Buy the 95" LR32 (difficult when not needed, not sure how much I'd use it)

If you're going to ebay one of them, it makes sense to just do both so you can replace them with the LR32 versions.  Then you can attach the two to do longer lengths should that ever come up.  Otherwise, see about having the holes added to the rails by a machine shop or someone experienced with a CNC machine.  Compare the costs.
 
Jeff:
Thanks for the great writeup and video link. Short of attending the class, this was the next best thing.
Tim
 
ccarrolladams said:
Introduced with the new Festool USA catalog is cat 496 938 "LR32 Guide Rail Connector" Those are a pair which work like the ordinary rail connector aligning the rails while ensuring the hole spacing is accurately 32mm on center.

I'm having trouble getting my head around this (a couple pictures on the site would help!):

LR32 guide rail connector

Does this go into the regular guide rail slots? The dimensions appear to be off, but that may be just the way the picture was taken.

Also, what are the registration "buttons" for? Are there additional holes on the LR32 guide rails for these to pop into for alignment?

 
fritter63 said:
ccarrolladams said:
Introduced with the new Festool USA catalog is cat 496 938 "LR32 Guide Rail Connector" Those are a pair which work like the ordinary rail connector aligning the rails while ensuring the hole spacing is accurately 32mm on center.

I'm having trouble getting my head around this (a couple pictures on the site would help!):

LR32 guide rail connector

Does this go into the regular guide rail slots? The dimensions appear to be off, but that may be just the way the picture was taken.

Also, what are the registration "buttons" for? Are there additional holes on the LR32 guide rails for these to pop into for alignment?

The regular guide rail connectors won't allow you to register 2 LR32 guide rails together to keep the hole spacing consistent.  The LR32 guide rail connectors that Carroll mentioned keep a consistent hole spacing between multiple rails.  That's the reason you see a gap between the rails.
 
Ken Nagrod said:
The regular guide rail connectors won't allow you to register 2 LR32 guide rails together to keep the hole spacing consistent.  The LR32 guide rail connectors that Carroll mentioned keep a consistent hole spacing between multiple rails.  That's the reason you see a gap between the rails.

That much I got.

My question is actually, "how" do these do that?
 
You only need one of these new LR32 guide rail connectors to join two LR32 rails together.

After the rails are joined (and connected with 2 guide rail connectors) you then remove the LR32 guide rail connector.

So, the LR32 connector is used only to initially space the guide rails, after they are properly spaced/and connected using the standard guide rail connector, the LR32 connector is removed so you can start making holes...
 
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