Spike TV's "Framework" Show features Jory Brigham and other furniture designers

[deepcreek]

Two observations from personal experience -

1) Impossible deadlines certainly demand innovation but they generally don't produce the same quality possible with reasonable time constraints.  Shortcuts have to be taken, standards have to be lowered, and otherwise repairable flaws have to be accepted.

2) Collaboration can lead to synergy where the sum is greater than the parts.  That's why I work with a partner who has a complimentary skill set but similar standards.  This is not always the case as a team is only as strong as its weakest link.  You can try to carry them but a weak contributor still pulls you down.

 

[pettyconstruction]

I think the team concept is not as good,it doesn't show the individual talents.
Picking or being picked on a strong team,puts the person deep in the comp.where they otherwise would have been gone. After that,it takes one good day and you can win.
I think a head to head comp would be better.

 

[Grasshopper]

That show would be super frustrating to be on…wow.  I would take longer to come up with a concept with the time allotted, let alone build two beds.  Sheesh. 

I also feel bad for the person who went home, the "team" concept saved some folks that seemed to be less deserving to be there.  I'd love to see a battle where each individual was given a week to show off what they can really do. 

Go team Jory!

 

[leer]

That show would be super frustrating to be on…wow.  I would take longer to come up with a concept with the time allotted, let alone build two beds.  Sheesh. 

I also feel bad for the person who went home, the "team" concept saved some folks that seemed to be less deserving to be there.  I'd love to see a battle where each individual was given a week to show off what they can really do. 

Go team Jory!

I agree -- I'd have a hard time finalizing my design in the total alloted time! I was not sure I'd continue to watch, but I'm really curious to see how Jory does thruout the show.  My wife and I caught part of Ellen's show, and I've been more impressed than I thought I would be.  I cannot think of his name, but the guy from Durango is really impressing me so far.

Since both shows have the drama, I think my wife is hooked.  So I'll watch them both with her.  I am going to claim I should get as much credit for watching these as I do for a Hallmark or Lifetime movie.  [big grin]

 

[woodguy7]

Frank, thank you for sending me a link that allowed me to watch the latest episode  [thumbs up] 

Although they all hate the team challenges it does mix things up a bit & the butting heads is quite funny.  I would love to see them all get 5 days to build anything they want with a budget of $500  No excuses then, let the cream rise to the top  [smile]

Searching youtube now for episode 2 of Ellen.

 

[jonny round boy]

Searching youtube now for episode 2 of Ellen.

It's not up yet - at least, not on the official EDC channel.

 

[woodguy7]

Thanks Jonny

 

[jonny round boy]

I've just watched ep 5 of Framework, and TBH it made me quite angry. That challenge was totally unrealistic, and badly defined. No way could anyone do a good job of that in 24 hours.

The bed that 'won' was no different to beds I could buy in a furniture shop - flat panels, basic construction, etc. It was a good bed, but the challenge was to do something different. The combination of steel and timber was nice though, and about the only redeeming feature, but getting the steel pieces and solid timber pieces mass produced to the level of accuracy needed for them to come together like that would be nigh on impossible.

If you're going to design something for mass production, you need to have very strict parameters; build costs, max shipping sizes & weights, material limits, etc. You can't just say "design a bed for mass production".

And they totally sent the wrong person home. AGAIN. [mad]

 

[sancho57]

Anyone got a link?

I'd like to check framework out

 

[sae]

And they totally sent the wrong person home. AGAIN. [mad]

I normally agree with the judges on which final product they pick as the winner and which are the worst, but when it comes down to the final two or three to be eliminated, it seems like they're more interested in keeping the person who has better marketing value.

 

[elfick]

Team challenges suck... Seems like they use them just to generate more drama, of which there is already way too much. C'mon, the channel name is "Spike"... How about putting a spike through the lame drama and focusing on design and craftsmanship!
Also, who generated the instructions in the bed episode? I don't recall seeing anyone working on them, but they got judged on them at the end.

 

[sae]

Yeah, the drawings looked pretty decent too. Would've taken me at least a few hours in SketchUp or Solidworks.

In the end though, it didn't really determine the success or failure of any product, everyone's mind was already made up.

 

[JoryBrigham]

I've just watched ep 5 of Framework, and TBH it made me quite angry. That challenge was totally unrealistic, and badly defined. No way could anyone do a good job of that in 24 hours.

The bed that 'won' was no different to beds I could buy in a furniture shop - flat panels, basic construction, etc. It was a good bed, but the challenge was to do something different. The combination of steel and timber was nice though, and about the only redeeming feature, but getting the steel pieces and solid timber pieces mass produced to the level of accuracy needed for them to come together like that would be nigh on impossible.

If you're going to design something for mass production, you need to have very strict parameters; build costs, max shipping sizes & weights, material limits, etc. You can't just say "design a bed for mass production".

And they totally sent the wrong person home. AGAIN. [mad]

I agree with you on every single one of those points. They never gave us Perimeters such as how big the pieces should be, how heavy, and the most important, what the price point would be. There are products that are mass produced that are very heavy, large, and cost a ton to ship. We we're all pretty pissed at how vague that challenge was. It was astonishing when they booted Wesley. That guy is the coolest, not to mention he had never been on the bottom, and that Terrible looking bed wasnt even his idea. When you're in teams, you have to let someone take the design lead or you'll never decide on anything. Wesley was mature enough to realize that, and let Freddy and his ego be a "dictator". Freddy once again, in my opinion should have got sent home.
If you guys want I could get one of the Judges to weigh in on these questions you have. Brandon is pretty down for this type of stuff. Let me know.

 

[JoryBrigham]

Just watched it & yea, it was good but i prefer Framework.  I can understand Jorys decision not to do this show.  He is an immensely talented designer & builder.  I don't think any of those carpenters could build a piece anywhere close to the quality Jory can.  Remember, there is a huge difference between a carpenter & a furniture maker !

Right, wheres episode 2  ;D

Thanks for the mojo! I actually haven't seen the Ellen show yet. I do however know the basic premise. From what I know of it, it is very different. We had less time, and more obstacles. I was told that the Ellen show would take 3 weeks to shoot. Some people (I cant say who) were on the set of Framework for almost 10 weeks (without seeing family or friends). The stress becomes overwhelming for some people, and it turns into an endurance race. All that, and you're trying to be creative. All these elements created a certain amount of drama just in itself.  I also think the show would be better with more of the process, but I'm a woodworker so it makes sense. I'm still really hoping that they start showing more of the process. I wish they would come out with a special edition where they released some of the 30,000 hours of other footage. I figure 95% must be of us actually building. There was some cool stuff that happened.  Anyway, sorry to babble about that. Thanks again for the kind words!

 

[JoryBrigham]

Team challenges suck... Seems like they use them just to generate more drama, of which there is already way too much. C'mon, the channel name is "Spike"... How about putting a spike through the lame drama and focusing on design and craftsmanship!
Also, who generated the instructions in the bed episode? I don't recall seeing anyone working on them, but they got judged on them at the end.

We did have to make instructions, those took one of the three people away from building for a good portion of the 24 hours. That was something totally out of my wheelhouse. I barely sketch, so to have that as something we were being judged on really surprised me. Luckily most of the other contestants went to school for design, and know how to do renderings.

 

[JoryBrigham]

I admire Jory's woodworking but Ellen's show is soooooo much better.  They focus more on the design and build process rather than snarky infighting.  I even saw competitors helping each other.  Refreshing!

Yeah, unfortunately a lot is left out. There were a lot of contestants helping other contestants in Framework as well. Keep in mind though that they are very much different shows. On the Ellen show they had much more time, and a lot more help. It was probably a lot less stressful of a working environment.

 

[JoryBrigham]

Perhaps I will be in the minority, but I think that the judging of the latest competition was a bit unfair.  It would be totally unrealistic to expect that anyone could come up with anything more than a mock up of a design idea for a bed in that allotted time.  Let alone a prototype.  Let's not even talk about a finished product.  Or two.  With instructions.  None of the judges could or would do it.  I do realize that reality in reality tv is different than reality in real life.

Would love to see at the end of series there be an all star competition between the top three finishers as a team and the three judges as a team.  Make a piece, post it on Facebook and ask the public to vote. 

Peter

Oh man!! I think that would be hilarious. You have Brandon Gore, he pretty much only works with concrete. The metal you see on his furniture isn't even welded by him. You have Nolan, who is a designer. He has an upholstery background. That guy Richard, well nobody had ever heard of him. I would assume he spent far too much on some prestigious design school, and faked half of his success. I just have very little respect for people judging the design and build when they themselves only know how to do one of those two things. Wesley got screwed on that by the way.

 

[Grasshopper]

I totally agree!  Let the judges prove themselves if they are going to be so condescending to others.

Perhaps I will be in the minority, but I think that the judging of the latest competition was a bit unfair.  It would be totally unrealistic to expect that anyone could come up with anything more than a mock up of a design idea for a bed in that allotted time.  Let alone a prototype.  Let's not even talk about a finished product.  Or two.  With instructions.  None of the judges could or would do it.  I do realize that reality in reality tv is different than reality in real life.

Would love to see at the end of series there be an all star competition between the top three finishers as a team and the three judges as a team.  Make a piece, post it on Facebook and ask the public to vote. 

Peter

Oh man!! I think that would be hilarious. You have Brandon Gore, he pretty much only works with concrete. The metal you see on his furniture isn't even welded by him. You have Nolan, who is a designer. He has an upholstery background. That guy Richard, well nobody had ever heard of him. I would assume he spent far too much on some prestigious design school, and faked half of his success. I just have very little respect for people judging the design and build when they themselves only know how to do one of those two things. Wesley got screwed on that by the way.

 

[Wuffles]

Perhaps I will be in the minority, but I think that the judging of the latest competition was a bit unfair.  It would be totally unrealistic to expect that anyone could come up with anything more than a mock up of a design idea for a bed in that allotted time.  Let alone a prototype.  Let's not even talk about a finished product.  Or two.  With instructions.  None of the judges could or would do it.  I do realize that reality in reality tv is different than reality in real life.

Would love to see at the end of series there be an all star competition between the top three finishers as a team and the three judges as a team.  Make a piece, post it on Facebook and ask the public to vote. 

Peter

Oh man!! I think that would be hilarious. You have Brandon Gore, he pretty much only works with concrete. The metal you see on his furniture isn't even welded by him. You have Nolan, who is a designer. He has an upholstery background. That guy Richard, well nobody had ever heard of him. I would assume he spent far too much on some prestigious design school, and faked half of his success. I just have very little respect for people judging the design and build when they themselves only know how to do one of those two things. Wesley got screwed on that by the way.

According to the edit, Wesley was very impressed with Richard being a judge - "This is a complete honour and I'm scared as f...".

So perhaps he screwed himself.

According to the edit.

I like to think someone has branded Rahil with a soldering iron and it's just been taken out during the edit I'm fairly sure I couldn't be forced to be around someone as annoying as Rahil for that long without some kind of accident befalling him.

Yes I said befalling, and I'm British, what about it? You want a piece of me?  [smile]

Go Jory, lots of flag waving from the UK.

 

[#Tee]

Its pretty dam obvious that jory is superior with his skill and talent level, ive visited all the other contestants sites to see their portfolio and lets just say jory is a level 60 hero and the others are about 29-40. granted hes mostly a wood furniture builder so im not sure if they hold a premium on someone with a jack of all trade level.

check out thewoodwhisperer.com  wood talk podcast. marc had a nice interview with brandon gore i think he does his own welding as well? but he did have some nice insight on design function and style