Spray finish setup

[Pnw painter]

If you're seriously thinking about the CAT AAA you should give them a call. If you're lucky they'll have a rep nearby that can answer questions and might even have one you can try.

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[tiralie]

You did the "whole" kitchen with a Fuji turbine?

Sorry, I meant kitchen cabinets. Yes the latest one I did with the pressure pot had 60 doors, panels and drawer fronts.
Tim

 

[tiralie]

As far as BM Advance goes I don't spray house paint, the few times I have in the past ended in major frustration not from the spraying point but from the fact the crap doesn't dry, you can't sand or stack it.

LOL, you make me laugh. Yes the stuff is a problem, but we do run into situations where it must be sprayed and I think Advance stands up to some fairly heavy use.

If you want to test some bring up a gallon and we'll put it through the gun and you can see what happens. Your welcome to drop by anytime.

Thanks, looks like I have a bit of a break in work, so I have a bit of time and I will call you.
Tim

 

[tiralie]

Does anyone know if there is any concern about condensation with the CAT H2O using a normal compressor. 

Less of a concern if you are using only waterbourne coatings. There is always condensation or water when you compress air unless you filter the air intake. CAT sells inline air filters and they work very well. I have used one for the last five years.

I'm assuming that wouldn't be the case with the CAT AAA?

Not sure I understand this question? Are you referring to the the compressor version CAT H2O guns? The CAT H2O AAA is basically an adaption or re-engineered version of the CAT AAA for waterbourne paints.
Tim

 

[tiralie]

After talking to JC and reading your comments; I have crossed the Fuji system off my list. 

There is a place for a (Fuji) turbine HVLP in finishing, and it works exceedingly well. It's extremely convenient to use.
Tim

 

[egmiii]

I'm a little behind on this thread, but have you looked at the Apollo Precision 6 yet? I bought one in September but haven't had much time to use it given the cold weather in the North East. In my limited experience, it's the perfect machine for those on the fence between an HVLP and air assisted setup. I'd say it's around 30% more powerful than a 5 stage unit. 10.5 PSI, fully adjustable.

 

[denovo]

Not sure I understand this question? Are you referring to the the compressor version CAT H2O guns? The CAT H2O AAA is basically an adaption or re-engineered version of the CAT AAA for waterbourne paints.
Tim

Thank you Tim, you answered my question

I was just commenting that the 395 tries to avoided the condensation issue by always running the compressor when spraying instead of having air tanks like the CAT.  Sort of how the turbines work.  The 395 is a slick unit and probably saves some headaches trying to piece together the CAT H2O (I haven't looked into the cat Mobile unit but it sounds like they just tacked on a standard compressor). 

 

[denovo]

I'm a little behind on this thread, but have you looked at the Apollo Precision 6 yet? I bought one in September but haven't had much time to use it given the cold weather in the North East. In my limited experience, it's the perfect machine for those on the fence between an HVLP and air assisted setup. I'd say it's around 30% more powerful than a 5 stage unit. 10.5 PSI, fully adjustable.

I haven't looked into the Apollo to be honest.  There doesn't seem to be much support for the system here in Canada so getting supplies/parts would be a headache.

 

[denovo]

There is a place for a (Fuji) turbine HVLP in finishing, and it works exceedingly well. It's extremely convenient to use.
Tim

Why do I get the feeling I will eventually end up with an AAA, turbine HVLP, and smaller Airless unit eventually  [eek]

Maybe the better question would be which system is the best system to start with between the turbine HVLP and AAA?  I don't have a ton of spraying experience with only a few projects under my belt using a HVLP gun and a 30 gallon compressor (it worked but was slow due to the size of the compressor)

 

[tiralie]

Why do I get the feeling I will eventually end up with an AAA, turbine HVLP, and smaller Airless unit eventually  [eek]

If you spray a lot of different coatings including glue, in different locations you will.

Maybe the better question would be which system is the best system to start with between the turbine HVLP and AAA?

I always find that the best system is the one that solves todays problem. If you are spraying latex paint on trim today, get over your battery phobia and get the fine finish machine. Those batteries charge extremely fast and the give away from Graco gives you an extra one, so you get three batteries. If you are spraying clear coat today and Kem Aqua next week an HVLP with a turbine with or without a pressure pot will work. If you have a bunch of shop spraying to do get the AAA. At a maximum of 1500 psi, I suspect that there is little these units can't atomize and make you look good.
Tim

 

[denovo]

I always find that the best system is the one that solves todays problem. If you are spraying latex paint on trim today, get over your battery phobia and get the fine finish machine. Those batteries charge extremely fast and the give away from Graco gives you an extra one, so you get three batteries. If you are spraying clear coat today and Kem Aqua next week an HVLP with a turbine with or without a pressure pot will work. If you have a bunch of shop spraying to do get the AAA. At a maximum of 1500 psi, I suspect that there is little these units can't atomize and make you look good.
Tim

Fair enough, you are probably correct.  I phoned a few places and it seems Sherwin Williams has the best price on the ProShot Fine Finish sprayer with 5 free tips instead of an extra battery.  Can you recommend some tips that you use the most to get started?

 

[denovo]

I know that's an impossible question to answer but at the end of the day I'm going to be doing a lot of experimenting (on scrap trim) over the holidays so a starting point will help.

 

[tiralie]

Fair enough, you are probably correct.  I phoned a few places and it seems Sherwin Williams has the best price on the ProShot Fine Finish sprayer with 5 free tips instead of an extra battery.  Can you recommend some tips that you use the most to get started?

I believe the 312 and 212 come with the machine.
They will be a good start to spray trim but [member=13337]Scott Burt[/member] can advise as he has more experience. The 312 sprays a 6-8" fan and the 212 sprays a 4-6" fan. I set the pressure control dial at 3/4 for latex paint, and the motor speed at I vs II.
Tim

 

[wptski]

I believe the 312 and 212 come with the machine.
They will be a good start to spray trim but [member=13337]Scott Burt[/member] can advise as he has more experience. The 312 sprays a 6-8" fan and the 212 sprays a 4-6" fan. I set the pressure control dial at 3/4 for latex paint, and the motor speed at I vs II.
Tim

Product sheet states speed one for lower flow, speed two for higher flow yet spray tips are rated by GPM or flow rate.

Looked at the instructions for this sprayer and no mention about controlling flow with the speed selection, it states to select the speed to achieve an acceptable spray pattern and the low speed increases battery life.  Whoever wrote the sales brochure didn't read the instructions it seems.

 

[mwinfield83]

If using smaller quantities of materials with the FP 395 check into the hopper accessory. I like it better than the standard pickup syphon tube because it makes it easier to get the last of paint into the sprayer. 

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[tiralie]

Product sheet states speed one for lower flow, speed two for higher flow yet spray tips are rated by GPM or flow rate.

The GPM stated is a guide not an absolute. These tips are used on the Proshot Fine finish and the 295, 395 etc.

Looked at the instructions for this sprayer and no mention about controlling flow with the speed selection, it states to select the speed to achieve an acceptable spray pattern and the low speed increases battery life.  Whoever wrote the sales brochure didn't read the instructions it seems.

This is a typical complaint about all instruction manuals. Gotta use the tool to understand it. No one will read or really wants a telphone book instruction manual. Sales brochures should always be viewed as useful introduction but too general for specific applications.
Tim
Tim
Tim

 

[wptski]

The GPM stated is a guide not an absolute.

Anything to do with spraying a material is a guide.

These tips are used on the Proshot Fine finish and the 295, 395 etc.

RAC X fine finish tips can be used on any RAC X guard even a Truecoat Pro II with a modified guard and maybe Truecoat Plus models as well.

The limiting factor of tip size is the GPM that the supply pump can put out and you're better off staying below that maximum size a bit.

 

[Scott B.]

Product sheet states speed one for lower flow, speed two for higher flow yet spray tips are rated by GPM or flow rate.

The GPM stated is a guide not an absolute. These tips are used on the Proshot Fine finish and the 295, 395 etc.

Looked at the instructions for this sprayer and no mention about controlling flow with the speed selection, it states to select the speed to achieve an acceptable spray pattern and the low speed increases battery life.  Whoever wrote the sales brochure didn't read the instructions it seems.

This is a typical complaint about all instruction manuals. Gotta use the tool to understand it. No one will read or really wants a telphone book instruction manual. Sales brochures should always be viewed as useful introduction but too general for specific applications.
Tim
Tim
Tim

Very good points. Product drives the whole thing about tip size and pressure needs. I always tell people to focus on the fan more than anything. Technique comes into play as well.

There is nothing more valuable than time on the tools...as with any type of tool technology.

Hope you all are having a good holiday season.

 

[tiralie]

The GPM stated is a guide not an absolute. These tips are used on the Proshot Fine finish and the 295, 395 etc.

My mistake. There are only eight seven tips available (with integrated guard) for the Proshot FineFinish. They maybe able to be used on the other machines but the Proshot FineFinish only accepts these.

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[wptski]

The GPM stated is a guide not an absolute. These tips are used on the Proshot Fine finish and the 295, 395 etc.

My mistake. There are only eight seven tips available (with integrated guard) for the Proshot FineFinish. They maybe able to be used on the other machines but the Proshot FineFinish only accepts these.

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There is a 512 and 612 plus a series of x14 tips but maybe the 14's are beyond its GPM pump limit.