stairs and glue
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I do alot of stair installations. It depends on what part of the stair system. I use a combination of construction adhesive and yellow carpenters glue. Specifically OSI construction adhesive and Titebond capenters yellow glue.
Hi Tim,
For the whole construction but specifically the treads and risers.I,ve used polyurethane and construction adhesive in the past but found it difficult to clean up.I thought titebond 3 might be OK but on the bottle it says not for structural use...
For the whole construction but specifically the treads and risers.I,ve used polyurethane and construction adhesive in the past but found it difficult to clean up.I thought titebond 3 might be OK but on the bottle it says not for structural use...
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Nigel said:
I agree with Tim. Polyurethane is very good and ensures no creaking occurs on the stairs but if alot runs out it is hard to clean a chisel and I often use the Fein multimaster to clean it up its good gettin into the corners.
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I've never heard of Extramite that Woodguy is using. I would be curious to know what it is. I've alaways used construction adhesive and wedges for my risers and treads. No problems, call backs or squeaks.
I had considered cascamite,my old woodwork teacher used to go on about it(along with animal glue....which stinks).I don't recall using it so I'd be interested in Woodguy elaborating on it too.Polyurethane construction is Ok but any squeeze out is difficult to clean off.Polyurethane expanding is just too messy. Is cascamite the answer?
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Cascamite is a powdered adhesive. Cascamite is the generic name, Extramite is a trade name.
The powder is mixed 1:2 with water, to form a creamy consistency. Takes a good few hours to cure, usually overnight. IIRC it's a urea-formaldahyde resin adhesive.
It is very strong, but it's also VERY brittle - any movement in the joint will usually result in the glue bond breaking.
The powder is mixed 1:2 with water, to form a creamy consistency. Takes a good few hours to cure, usually overnight. IIRC it's a urea-formaldahyde resin adhesive.
It is very strong, but it's also VERY brittle - any movement in the joint will usually result in the glue bond breaking.
Jonny got it spot on. It is very strong though. I have always used it on the structural elements of my stairs & have never had any joints fail on me or have any squeaking. The wedges have to fit perfectly though. I have made over 50 sets of stairs & that is the glue i have always used. I like poly but the thought of it spewing out over a nicely sanded oak stringer makes me cringe. With the Extramite you just wipe it with a damp sponge.
Woodguy.
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It's in France!
Just the method of constuction really.No wedges ,nearly all quarter turn with winding treads and usually in oak.I say French as opposed to British which have wedges at least straight ones do.There are some fantastic old stairs in France with carved switchback stringers and housed treads etc.The stringers are also usually at least 50mm thick but often thicker.Im working at a house where the inside stringer is 65mm and the treads 40mm oak.
Just the method of constuction really.No wedges ,nearly all quarter turn with winding treads and usually in oak.I say French as opposed to British which have wedges at least straight ones do.There are some fantastic old stairs in France with carved switchback stringers and housed treads etc.The stringers are also usually at least 50mm thick but often thicker.Im working at a house where the inside stringer is 65mm and the treads 40mm oak.
For gluing up tread blanks I've always used Titebond as i believe do stair part manufactures. When installing stairs on site, as a floor guy, I'm usually working on square "sub' stairs" rarely on carriages. I agree with the majority here. I use either Pl 2000 or Bostiks best. Both come in tubes (a bit pricier) and Bostick makes both wipes and a cleaner for hands, finished surfaces and tools. You can find it here: http://www.bostik.co.uk/professional_flooring_tiling/Bostik/product/bostik-ultimate-adhesive-remover
Apologies for the delay in posting pics,I had to wait for new computer as the old one would freeze at anything more than reading text!
A few photos of the staircase with 64mm {well it's nearly 65mm} stringer for Woodguy who asked.
The older ones I have seen are more elegant but I have no pics ...yet.Also some of the stairs I made to compliment it and the reason for the original question.
I ended up using titebond for the handrail and spindles for easy cleanup,polyurethane for the newels which were masked off and sikaflex everywhere else.The tread blanks were dominoed and pva glued.Also a few pix of construction in progress.
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That a big cutter. I take it your runnin OF2200. Is it coping with that size easily?!
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Thanks for posting all the photos. You have made some nice stairs there. I really don't like the dark stain but everything else is lovely. That is quite a stringer you are using, is it solid oak ? I see a few differences between your stairs & the way i do them, apart from the wedges, you have more tapered treads coming round the corner than i do but i like yours, might start doing it like that [smile]
Will try to post some of my efforts if i can reduce the picture sizes (not very good at that)
Cheers, Woodguy.
Thanks for posting all the photos. You have made some nice stairs there. I really don't like the dark stain but everything else is lovely. That is quite a stringer you are using, is it solid oak ? I see a few differences between your stairs & the way i do them, apart from the wedges, you have more tapered treads coming round the corner than i do but i like yours, might start doing it like that [smile]
Will try to post some of my efforts if i can reduce the picture sizes (not very good at that)
Cheers, Woodguy.
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