Striebig AG takes over Otto Martin Maschinenbau GmbH & Co. KG

[six-point socket II]

Hi!

The Martin family apparently sold to Striebig. Haven’t found an article on this in English language yet, so this will have to do for now:

Striebig übernimmt Otto Martin

Die Schweizer Striebig AG, Erfinder und weltweiter Marktführer für vertikale Plattensägen, übernimmt 100 % der Anteile des deutschen Premiumherstellers Otto

www.bm-online.de

Kind regards,
Olli

 

[Cheese]

For anyone else that wants to know what a Vertical Plate Saw is...this thing weighs 2600#.

 

[Michael Kellough]

For “premium class” shouldn’t the robot that loads panels onto the rig be included?

 

[Cheese]

For “premium class” shouldn’t the robot that loads panels onto the rig be included?

Well if a Paper Holder is optional then a robot is certainly optional.

 

[six-point socket II]

I know we’re having some fun here, but actually these vertical panel saws are very, very comfortable and fairly easy to use/ achieve precise results with. And with the right accessories, a single person can easily handle full sheets. https://www.kaiserkraft.de/transpor...n/plattenkarre/tragfaehigkeit-300-kg/p/M7540/


It’s a common sight here, every big box store offering cutting services/ cut to measure sheet goods, counter tops, (…) has one of these. Obviously make/model varies. The better big box stores have already expanded those services beyond just cutting. They will route/mortise for counter top joints, edge band, (…), as well. My favorite big box store has almost a complete wood shop in the back and actually employs trained joiners for the corresponding department.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[P_K]

For “premium class” shouldn’t the robot that loads panels onto the rig be included?

You'd move up to a beam saw at that point. The tricky thing is actually getting sized melamine panels off of a vertical saw without chipping them.

 

[Michael Kellough]

You'd move up to a beam saw at that point. The tricky thing is actually getting sized melamine panels off of a vertical saw without chipping them.

Grabo suction lifter.

 

[Cheese]

Grabo suction lifter.

Actually 2 Grabo’s.

 

[P_K]

You'd actually want one of these if you're working alone at the vertical saw for an extended period. Gets tiresome lifting sheet goods.

 

[Mini Me]

The major hardware chain in Oz also uses Vertical panel saws in every store and a single staff member has no issues using it on his own. There has been many DIY versions published over the years that don't cost a lot of money to build.

 

[Duckler]

The major hardware chain in Oz also uses Vertical panel saws in every store and a single staff member has no issues using it on his own. There has been many DIY versions published over the years that don't cost a lot of money to build.

I am curious. Will have to see what I can learn about the DIY versions.

 

[P_K]

The setup at Bunnings that I’ve seen is akin to the box stores in the US - an SSC type panel saw and a radial arm saw. I don’t think there’s typically a charge for cutting but the tolerances are to within 5mm. Per above, DIY shops in Germany and NL will size, drill and edgeband parts that are ready to be assembled into cabinetry. Pretty impressive.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Most of the ones I have ever seen in Big Box stores are small, entry-level units. They crudely cut 4 x 8 sheets, for customers to transport smaller pieces.
All of the cabinet shops, have the full sized 5 x 12 models.
The one where I worked has all three mentioned above.
A small Holz Her, in the countertop department, for cross cutting pre-ripped 25" blanks.
The 5 x 12 is closer to the storage area, use mostly by the Corian department guys.
The slider is in the custom department, for more general work, especially miters or beveled edges.
Most people have never even heard of a beam saw, much less seen one. They are the ultimate, even cutting multiple sheets at the same time, but the space requirements and cost is astronomical.

 

[Mini Me]

I am curious. Will have to see what I can learn about the DIY versions.

Look at Fine Woodworking and Shopnotes magazines both of which had articles and plans and of course YouTube. With the availability of cheap DRO's these days it should be a great project and shouldn't cost a lot of money either.

 

[six-point socket II]

While I’m not a liberty to show pictures, I can say for the places that I visit and do business with, they do not crudely cut some sheets for transportation. They cut exactly to my cut lists and the pieces come out “square” and measure exactly what I specified.

Yes, there are places that have very old or smaller machines and are generally not up for more. But that is changing fast because of demand.

When I started out here back in the day, it was really hard to get sheet material - or any lumber/wood - cut to size unless it was the very basic sheet material everyone stocked and everyone bought. Whenever you inquired about thicker/thinner or otherwise not the basic of basic types you’d get the: “Buy a full sheet at heavily inflated price and we’ll cut it”. Some still operate that way. The ones that are truly thriving, tell you: “Give us the list, we order the material if we don’t have it, we’ll give you a call within X time when it’s ready for pick-up.” Pricier than buying a full sheet out the door, but highly, highly competitive when considering time.

And the fact that they get deliveries almost every day, opens the door to buying sheet material that would otherwise cost a “fortune” per sheet in handling/transportation/minimum qty fee, if you special ordered that through someone simply with “basic access” to/ an account with one of the big players in the sheet material market, but only ordering every so often and you wanting it rather “now”.

Obviously, a beam saw is a whole different level of production capability. But that is a different story from either big box stores or wood dealers/ lumber yards offering certain services. But it’s the reason why so many places nowadays order their base cabinets ready to assemble - for everything that is not truly bespoke.


Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[Lincoln]

Most of the ones I have ever seen in Big Box stores are small, entry-level units. They crudely cut 4 x 8 sheets, for customers to transport smaller pieces.
All of the cabinet shops, have the full sized 5 x 12 models.
The one where I worked has all three mentioned above.
A small Holz Her, in the countertop department, for cross cutting pre-ripped 25" blanks.
The 5 x 12 is closer to the storage area, use mostly by the Corian department guys.
The slider is in the custom department, for more general work, especially miters or beveled edges.
Most people have never even heard of a beam saw, much less seen one. They are the ultimate, even cutting multiple sheets at the same time, but the space requirements and cost is astronomical.

A few years ago I subbed to a shop that was doing an apartment tower, so a lot of kitchens, robes etc. They were stacking two or three sheets at a time, on the beam saw. The amount of cabinet parts being cut per day was crazy. Like you say, they take up a lot of floor space.