Super Dogs

[Birdhunter]

I received my shipment of 2 Superdogs from Axminster in the U.K. I had watched Peter’s video on the new product and was impressed.

Having received the Super Dogs, I am even more impressed. The design and machining of the product is excellent. They are rock steady once inserted into the MFT hole and tightened. I bought the hole chamfer tool and advise getting it. The chamfer tool creates a slight chamfer to the MFT hole which allows the Super Dog to nestle perfectly flush with the MFT top and perfectly centered. The product works well without the chamfer, but better with it.

This is an excellent product and easy to buy from Axminster. The package arrived about a week after I placed to order.

The only improvement I would suggest is adding a couple of extra  O Rings in the packaging.

 

[bnaboatbuilder]

Received mine this morning. Superb quality and brilliant design. The o-rings are such a simple and perfect solution to getting the dogs tight as can be. I also got the rail clips, along with the super dogs, my custom table from last year is as accurate and fast to use now.

I didn't get the chamfer tool. I figure if I want to try that, a chamfer router bit set a 1/16" or so will do the job.

The super dogs are the best around. Rock solid with the rail clips.

 

[Birdhunter]

I wish I had known about the clips when I ordered the Super Dogs.

 

[Klemm]

before using the clips,make sure you've seen the method of engaging the Dog on our website video.https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/dog-rail-clips/

Don't "open' the Clip -  instead loop it "Over" the Dog with the rail tilted - makes all the difference.
Enjoy!

Hans

 

[VeloWood]

I've been using the Parf Dogs from Veritas.  Mine actually measure at 19.8 mm and when placing the guide rail against the dogs they do move slightly out of plumb.  Still get fairly accurate cuts, but not real excited about the the little bit of play the Parf Dogs have.

So I came across the TSO webisite just last night and ended up ordering the guide square this morning.

I had to crosscut 4' sheet goods this weekend and my table is only 3' wide so I was left to measure and mark to get square cuts, so that's the reason I ordered the square.

I love the design of the Super Dogs, but if one were to have the guide square, would you ever use the dogs?

I just about ordered the Super Dogs this morning, but I didn't think I would go back to that method with having the square (in a few days time)

Is there an instance I'm not thinking about where I would need to use the dog method since I will now have the square?

 

[grobkuschelig]

I have both, an early TSO Square and also the Veritas Dogs with the Rail clips. (Mine fit tight into the MFT holes!)

I like both.
If I have to cut more pieces and also especially smaller stuff or miters (45°) I will use the dogs and clips. It is just quicker and less of a hassle.
But for the odd and quick „one square cut“ nothing beats the TSO Square, in my experience...

 

[geoffshep]

I've been using the Parf Dogs from Veritas.  Mine actually measure at 19.8 mm and when placing the guide rail against the dogs they do move slightly out of plumb.

Do you secure the parf dogs, or just place them in the holes?  They shouldn't move if you use a threaded knob in them from under the table top.

 

[bnaboatbuilder]

Veritas Parf dogs are 19.88mm last time I checked with multiple very accurate micrometers. That is too small. They should be 19.96mm at least. The new Super Dogs, I'm measuring 19.97mm. They fit tight and with the o-rings tightened down fit even better, rock solid, they don't budge, I can move my table by trying to move them.

The standard Veritas Parf dogs need to be larger diameter. Not all tables have access underneath to screw into the dogs, more and more custom tables exist now.

I've been using the Parf Dogs from Veritas.  Mine actually measure at 19.8 mm and when placing the guide rail against the dogs they do move slightly out of plumb.

Do you secure the parf dogs, or just place them in the holes?  They shouldn't move if you use a threaded knob in them from under the table top.

 

[bnaboatbuilder]

I break down full sheets outside then bring the cuts into the shop. So outside I do crosscuts with the Insta-Rail Square that Tool Nut sells and it exceeds all expectations. When I am in the shop on my custom table I gladly use the super dogs now with the rail clips. I don't see things in black and white, situations exist where different tools expedite tasks.

I've been using the Parf Dogs from Veritas.  Mine actually measure at 19.8 mm and when placing the guide rail against the dogs they do move slightly out of plumb.  Still get fairly accurate cuts, but not real excited about the the little bit of play the Parf Dogs have.

So I came across the TSO webisite just last night and ended up ordering the guide square this morning.

I had to crosscut 4' sheet goods this weekend and my table is only 3' wide so I was left to measure and mark to get square cuts, so that's the reason I ordered the square.

I love the design of the Super Dogs, but if one were to have the guide square, would you ever use the dogs?

I just about ordered the Super Dogs this morning, but I didn't think I would go back to that method with having the square (in a few days time)

Is there an instance I'm not thinking about where I would need to use the dog method since I will now have the square?

 

[VeloWood]

I have not been using any knobs from underneath to tighten them down.  Should have been I guess.

I re-checked my parf dogs last night.  19.82

So I guess knobs or super dogs.  Thinking the super dogs.  I did think of a couple instances where the dogs would be beneficial over just the square and track.

Thanks for the ideas!

 

[nms]

If these are no more accurate than the TSO tall togs with knobs I'd rather stick to that route for half the cost and the lighter weight.

It's a cool product though which will definitely be the better choice in workshops where knob access underneath is inconvenient or more frequent position changes are needed.

 

[jimbo51]

Has anybody measured the accuracy of cuts using the Super Dogs with and without the chamfer? I will probably order the chamfer tool, but I was wondering if these comparisons have been done.

 

[bnaboatbuilder]

At first using the super dogs, I had them in the simplest version, no rings. I changed the configuration to use the thicker collar and have stayed with that. The collar gives an edge for the dog to sit down at the hole. I don't see any need to chamfer the holes nor use the smaller chamfer specific collar. The dogs fit so damn tight in a hole once snugged down, I can literally move my 400 pound custom table from the dog and not actually move the dog in the hole. My table does not allow me access to the underside of the holes at the front half of the MFT style top because I have sys-az drawers below. So the super dogs are the best solution I have found for my needs. My table is setup now with a measuring fence towards the back, 2 super dogs, rail clips and a 42 inch rail. Consistent cuts that are 1-2 thou in accuracy checking with machinist squares.

If you have easy access to the underside of your MFT top, then go with the TSO long dogs and knobs along with rail clips.

Has anybody measured the accuracy of cuts using the Super Dogs with and without the chamfer? I will probably order the chamfer tool, but I was wondering if these comparisons have been done.

 

[rustym]

Got my Super Dogs yesterday.  Very nice looking, haven't used them yet but will soon.  Now just waiting for the updated drill collar from TSO, but I know it will be coming soon.

Rusty

 

[RNEMTP]

I've been using the Parf Dogs from Veritas.  Mine actually measure at 19.8 mm and when placing the guide rail against the dogs they do move slightly out of plumb.  Still get fairly accurate cuts, but not real excited about the the little bit of play the Parf Dogs have.

So I came across the TSO webisite just last night and ended up ordering the guide square this morning.

I had to crosscut 4' sheet goods this weekend and my table is only 3' wide so I was left to measure and mark to get square cuts, so that's the reason I ordered the square.

I love the design of the Super Dogs, but if one were to have the guide square, would you ever use the dogs?

I just about ordered the Super Dogs this morning, but I didn't think I would go back to that method with having the square (in a few days time)

Is there an instance I'm not thinking about where I would need to use the dog method since I will now have the square?

You should secure the parf dogs from the under side of the table with either the knobs from the clamping elements or an 8mm bolt. That will stop any movement of the parf dogs. I have a rail square and still use the dogs because it’s easier to set up stops on the cutting station. When making cabinet doors I was able to set up a stop and cut all the stiles to length in one cut. Then all the rails on the next cut. There are advantages and disadvantages to both.

 

[locaholic35]

Excited to hear some user feedback.  These looked excellent in concept, but great to hear execution is well done too.