Surfix over stained wood?

[Tom the Remodeler]

I have a project coming up in Minneapolis where a customer wants to partition a large basement room, using three Walnut bookshelves as the partition wall. To achieve this, I need to install 1/4" Walnut plywood to the back sides of the book shelves, as well as affix some 1x Walnut to join the bookshelves together.

I would like to finish the new Walnut with the Festool Surfix system. My question is, if I need to color match the new Walnut to match the existing, can I apply a stain to the new Walnut parts, then apply the Surfix oil over the top of the stained wood?

Alternatively, should I consider mixing a dye in with the oil?

I greatly appreciate any input you may have, thanks in advance!  [big grin]

 

[Scott B.]

I have a project coming up in Minneapolis where a customer wants to partition a large basement room, using three Walnut bookshelves as the partition wall. To achieve this, I need to install 1/4" Walnut plywood to the back sides of the book shelves, as well as affix some 1x Walnut to join the bookshelves together.

I would like to finish the new Walnut with the Festool Surfix system. My question is, if I need to color match the new Walnut to match the existing, can I apply a stain to the new Walnut parts, then apply the Surfix oil over the top of the stained wood?

Alternatively, should I consider mixing a dye in with the oil?

I greatly appreciate any input you may have, thanks in advance!  [big grin]

Tom

I would rule out mixing dye into the Surfix oil. Bad idea, I think.

You can sample the Surfix oil over a stain to find out if it will work. I haven't done it, but my guess would be if it is an oil based stain, it should be compatible. I'd recommend gel stain. Allow ample cure time before putting the Surfix over the stain sample.

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

Good input, thanks Scott!

I agree, I doubt I would get good results mixing materials, but I wanted to at least consider it. I really like the way Surfix handles, but to date I've only used it on "natural" (no stain) projects.....

 

[Stephen B]

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It comes back to the instruction/data sheet -

For OrganOil Hard Burning Oil as an example, the Data Sheet specifically states,
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STAINING:
This product is a penetrative, clear oil finish and should NOT have other-brands of pigments or colourants added to it. 

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As Surfix has similar properties, the same may apply. What does the data/instruction sheet say?

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

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It comes back to the instruction/data sheet -

For OrganOil Hard Burning Oil as an example, the Data Sheet specifically states,
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STAINING:
This product is a penetrative, clear oil finish and should NOT have other-brands of pigments or colourants added to it. 

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As Surfix has similar properties, the same may apply. What does the data/instruction sheet say?

Excellent point! Alas, the data sheet is down the street in my warehouse in subzero temperatures  [scared]

 

[Scott B.]

Dude, those sheets are temperature sensitive!  [big grin]

 

[tjbnwi]

I've used Surfix over stain, I had no problems at all. I did allow the stain to dry for about 1 week, it was oil based stain.

Tom

 

[Rollin22Petes]

This is an interesting topic I would also like to know how well this would work. As already stated I would think as long as the stain was allowed to dry properly there shouldn't be a problem.

 

[tjbnwi]

I'll see if I can find some pictures. I believe there is another post where I posted pictures of mahogany plywood stained with Surfix finish.

Tom

 

[Stephen B]

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It comes back to the instruction/data sheet -

For OrganOil Hard Burning Oil as an example, the Data Sheet specifically states,
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STAINING:
This product is a penetrative, clear oil finish and should NOT have other-brands of pigments or colourants added to it. 

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As Surfix has similar properties, the same may apply. What does the data/instruction sheet say?

Excellent point! Alas, the data sheet is down the street in my warehouse in subzero temperatures  [scared]

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Or it is only a few mouse clicks away. [size=18pt]
All the way from the summer warmth of Australia! [smile]
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http://www.idealtools.com.au/downloads/dl/file/id/172/product/0/festool_surfix_one_step_oil_technical_data_sheet.pdf

http://www.idealtools.com.au/downloads/dl/file/id/173/product/0/festool_surfix_one_step_oil_safety_data_sheet.pdf
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But no mention of adding stain that I can see. From my very limited experience, certainly compared to that of Scott and others here, I do like the idea of letting the stain completely dry before oiling. That is assuming any ingredient in the chosen stain would not act as a sealer!

Scott any further thoughts on this?

As they say in the classics, commercial and customer needs/timelines not withstanding, 'can you do a test?'

 

[sancho57]

First as others have said, I wouldnt add the stain to the oil. It the stain is say a alcohol based stain or even water based stain if you let it dry completely.

As long as the oil can soak into the wood you should be OK. As others have said, trying on a scrap pieece first.

 

[greenvillager]

I have also used Surfix over stain. I used Zar oil stain and made sure it was dry before applying the Surfix.  Fantastic finish!

 

[CSA]

Great tip I was wondering if it was possible as well. I was considering redoing my hardwood floors and using surfix to finish them they are to light in color for my wife's liking and I was unsure if I could us surfix to seal them after staining. Has anyone ever used suffix on hardwood floors? If so any tips would be appreciated.  Thanks

 

[tjbnwi]

Great tip I was wondering if it was possible as well. I was considering redoing my hardwood floors and using surfix to finish them they are to light in color for my wife's liking and I was unsure if I could us surfix to seal them after staining. Has anyone ever used suffix on hardwood floors? If so any tips would be appreciated.  Thanks

I would not use Suffix on a floor. The coefficient of friction for the cured product is unknown, don't want a slick floor.

Tom

 

[CSA]

One of the reason I asked was due to the following video I had watched on youtube ..... floor looks great to me. I was wondering how it may hold up on hardwood floors. Has anyone ever used it on hardwood floors?

 

[Walk On Wood]

Sanding a floor that way looks like misery.

A friend of mine has tried Surfix as a floor finish, they looked nice but durability is questionable.  There are similar products made specifically for flooring.  Check out Pallman Magic Oil, Rubio Monocoat, or Osmo Polyx

 

[CSA]

Will do thank you.

 

[Walk On Wood]

Here are some shots of floor I've done with  natural Magic Oil.. Rift & quartered rustic white oak and Brazilian cherry:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1504991226428180.1073741835.1420618204865483&type=1

And here's a blog by my buddy Keith Long about a floor we worked on together in Fort Collins Colorado using white Magic Oil: http://www.hardwoodfloorsmag.com/contractor-blog/from-the-advanced-school-to-a-natural-oil-job.html