SYS3 SORTAINER?

[Josef]

I was wondering if anyone might know if Festool might introduce a SYS3 variant of the SORTAINER  SYS 4 TL-SORT/3 (Item number 200119)?

I have two of these (generally stationary in my shop) and considering another for mobile purposes but would be willing to wait if a SYS3 version is on the horizon.

 

[squall_line]

I was wondering if anyone might know if Festool might introduce a SYS3 variant of the SORTAINER  SYS 4 TL-SORT/3 (Item number 200119)?

I have two of these (generally stationary in my shop) and considering another for mobile purposes but would be willing to wait if a SYS3 version is on the horizon.

What are you looking to get from the SYS3 that you aren't getting from the TLoc version?

I think adding the rail section to the Sortainer would just increase the base and/or remove space from the bottom tray.  It would be a pretty brutal change to the whole thing, in my estimation.

The Sortainer is still made by Tanos, so I don't know that there are any plans to replace it.

 

[Chainring]

No idea if there's a Sys3 update in the works, though I can say with 100% enthusiasm that I love the current design.

I bought some for the work area before the price increase and ended up repurposing two for indoor use by my desk. It's crazy how much stuff these things swallow and ask for another bite.

 

[Josef]

What are you looking to get from the SYS3 that you aren't getting from the TLoc version?

some things I was thinking were:
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[*]rounded corners
[*]snap in place handle
[*]bott system containers to match the current design of and interchangeability with the newer sys3 organizers
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[member=75208]Chainring[/member] I love the current design too, but my OCD needs wants it to match my newer stuff when it's in a stack  [smile]

 

[Crazyraceguy]

What are you looking to get from the SYS3 that you aren't getting from the TLoc version?

some things I was thinking were:

• rounded corners
• snap in place handle
• bott system containers to match the current design of and interchangeability with the newer sys3 organizers

[member=75208]Chainring[/member] I love the current design too, but my OCD needs wants it to match my newer stuff when it's in a stack  [smile]

You are probably the first one I have seen who likes the newer version.
Two of the three reasons you listed are some of the things that a lot of us hate.
The snapping handle, not only for the snap, but it folds the opposite way.
The Bott rail compatibility means nothing to guys who already have Sysports.
The OCD matchy thing I very much get, but I have way more T-Locs, so that was broken buy them anyway. Once the mis-match happens, you just have to deal with it.

 

[simnick]

I'd be totally into a new sortainer based around the sys-org containers. Given all the 3rd printed stuff around them, I've gone all in on them as my small parts organization.

 

[Ebuwan]

You are probably the first one I have seen who likes the newer version.

Yeah, but people will go out of their way to file a complaint, very seldom to give/leave a compliment lol.

I have no problems with the Sys3's, But I could see being totally annoyed with Sys-shelf spacings being different, and that also impacts using them in the field as small work surfaces matching up with MFT's, etc. If I used that type of setup all the time, i'd be ticked too.

 

[Coen]

You are probably the first one I have seen who likes the newer version.

Yeah, but people will go out of their way to file a complaint, very seldom to give/leave a compliment lol.

Meh. When T-Loc came out, most people were either positive or didn't care. Now with Sys3 people either don't care of hate it.

They messes up too much; the height system, the hard to lock top handle, the front handle of the 112 sticking out because in stacked position it conflicts with the T, the enormous waste of space inside.

And for what?
Racking that nobody uses especially because the rails aren't sold separately in Europe.
A bit sturdier. Great, but 90% of that could be had without introducing all the drawbacks.

Oh, on the racking; did you see the waste of space there? Why on earth would you need 380mm deep cabinets for 300mm deep boxes?

 

[luvmytoolz]

I can live with the changes made, the lugs for the handles I've chiselled off, it's the fact they changed the form factor by making them just that "little" taller that really bugs me and I think was a really bone headed move on their part.

There was absolutely no need for that, I'm sure apart from myself, that's really stuffed up the storage systems a lot of people use to store them in.

 

[gunnyr]

Oh, on the racking; did you see the waste of space there? Why on earth would you need 380mm deep cabinets for 300mm deep boxes?

I cut the rails down!  You need a bit of space, behind the box to lift it but I was surprised to see the rails are 80mm longer than the boxes!

 

[slavi.yordanov]

Oh, on the racking; did you see the waste of space there? Why on earth would you need 380mm deep cabinets for 300mm deep boxes?

I cut the rails down!  You need a bit of space, behind the box to lift it but I was surprised to see the rails are 80mm longer than the boxes!

The rails for the Bott racking are different and are the same length as the boxes.

I haven’t really used the t-loc systainers as much, but got some tools in t-loc. In my opinion the sys3 is much better in any way.

Of course I’m biased since I’m using the Bott racking system. It’s been almost a year since I have switched from Packout to Bott/Systainers and I’m still surprised how well the space in my van is utilized with this system.

I get the problem with the height differences but I’m sure there was a good reason from festool/tanos point of view. Actually on the Bott racking, T-loc wastes more space than sys3, due to the way it mounts and slides out.

I hope they are working on a sys3 sortainer, compatible with the new organizers.

 

[Coen]

The space wasting starts inside the Systainer; almost everything got moved up a box size.

The Bott rails aren't offered for sale either, so that's another mood point.

But you definitely fall into the happy 0.1%. It helps that you didn't build a system around earlier Systainers either. What you never enjoyed cannot be missed.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

@salvi.yordanov you have all of those Systainers that fit in your Bott racks (looks great by the way) but only 2 of them are actually Festool, which kind of proves the point.

The other "improvements", whether you consider them to be an improvement or not, don't compare to the screw-up of changing the vertical heights. As [member=75933]luvmytoolz[/member] has said, probably as many times as I have, that just trades one "system" for another. Sysports and homemade cabinets in the same constraints were designed around those heights. Granted, not everyone who owns Festool equipment has Sysports or even uses them "fully" (to the designed capacity), but there are a lot of us who have built an entire wall of them.
I can't even imagine what it has done to FUSA's massive wall full of them? They have so many Sysports stacked that they are impractical to use, but it's surely an impressive display. hey can afford to waste the space and keep things in a more grouped together manner, rather than making di with "that's how it has to be, because it "fits" that way.
Mine are arranged as best as I can, by frequency of use, area of use, and somewhat by the size of the tool itself. I would like to have one more unit, but space is becoming a thing. If I add to the end of the run, I would have to move the cutting table. I don't really want to do that....too far off topic, sorry.

 

[Michael Kellough]

The Tanos boxes are the same size as Festool Systainers, and there are a lot of Tanos boxes in that photo (the left side of the van).

 

[squall_line]

I can't even imagine what it has done to FUSA's massive wall full of them? They have so many Sysports stacked that they are impractical to use, but it's surely an impressive display. hey can afford to waste the space and keep things in a more grouped together manner, rather than making di with "that's how it has to be, because it "fits" that way.

I think some time in 2021 or early 2022 they removed all of the metal SYS-PORTs and rebuilt the entire wall in wood boxes with SYS-AZ drawers and Bott rails.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

The Tanos boxes are the same size as Festool Systainers, and there are a lot of Tanos boxes in that photo (the left side of the van).

This is exactly my point. Festool didn't need to get involved with the newer version. If a person wants to be in the Bott system, fine. Buy the boxes that fit with it and move on, same as Bosch L boxes or Milwaukee Packout.
Festool screwed up a system they already had, to make it compatible with something else, slapping those who were using their system in the face.

 

[Chainring]

I think some time in 2021 or early 2022 they removed all of the metal SYS-PORTs and rebuilt the entire wall in wood boxes with SYS-AZ drawers and Bott rails.

Sedge removed all the SYS-PORTs he had in his home workshop and replaced them with cabinets/SYS-AZ drawers.

 

[squall_line]

I think some time in 2021 or early 2022 they removed all of the metal SYS-PORTs and rebuilt the entire wall in wood boxes with SYS-AZ drawers and Bott rails.

Sedge removed all the SYS-PORTs he had in his home workshop and replaced them with cabinets/SYS-AZ drawers.

They did the same thing in the Lebanon training facility where Festool Live is 'filmed'.

I do wonder, though, how much editorial control FUSA has over Brian's SedgeTool channel.  I'm sure there are the typical non-disparagement and non-compete clauses and such in his employment contract, but I wonder if they also have any say in having discontinued products or competitor products in his personal channel's videos (or if it's even a personal channel), especially if the SYS-Ports all disappeared from his workshop and the office at the same time...

 

[slavi.yordanov]

@salvi.yordanov you have all of those Systainers that fit in your Bott racks (looks great by the way) but only 2 of them are actually Festool, which kind of proves the point.

The other "improvements", whether you consider them to be an improvement or not, don't compare to the screw-up of changing the vertical heights. As [member=75933]luvmytoolz[/member] has said, probably as many times as I have, that just trades one "system" for another. Sysports and homemade cabinets in the same constraints were designed around those heights. Granted, not everyone who owns Festool equipment has Sysports or even uses them "fully" (to the designed capacity), but there are a lot of us who have built an entire wall of them.
I can't even imagine what it has done to FUSA's massive wall full of them? They have so many Sysports stacked that they are impractical to use, but it's surely an impressive display. hey can afford to waste the space and keep things in a more grouped together manner, rather than making di with "that's how it has to be, because it "fits" that way.
Mine are arranged as best as I can, by frequency of use, area of use, and somewhat by the size of the tool itself. I would like to have one more unit, but space is becoming a thing. If I add to the end of the run, I would have to move the cutting table. I don't really want to do that....too far off topic, sorry.

I totally get all your points. But if a new generation is released, it doesn’t necessarily mean that all existing boxes and cabinets built around them need to be replaced.

The reason only two of the Systainers are Festool is because I actually do plumbing, and my Festool boxes are at home. If you only have one tool per systainer as they ship, it’s a waste of space anyway, that’s why I was using mostly Packout boxes before getting the Bott racking.
The lack of dividers or other ways to organize an empty systainer (I’m not a fan of foam and shop made dividers) has always been the biggest drawback to me.

I don’t think the users of this forum represent the majority of people that use Festool. So as you said, most people don’t utilize the Systainers to their full potential.

In the end of the day, Festool knew about Bott racking coming to the US when they did that transition to Sys3. (and it was already available in Europe) So it made zero sense to keep selling their tools in T-Loc, while meanwhile pushing van racking optimized for Sys3.

What would be a great alternative is selling bare tools, without the Systainer, at a lower price. It probably will never happen though.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

I totally get all your points. But if a new generation is released, it doesn’t necessarily mean that all existing boxes and cabinets built around them need to be replaced.

The reason only two of the Systainers are Festool is because I actually do plumbing, and my Festool boxes are at home. If you only have one tool per systainer as they ship, it’s a waste of space anyway, that’s why I was using mostly Packout boxes before getting the Bott racking.
The lack of dividers or other ways to organize an empty systainer (I’m not a fan of foam and shop made dividers) has always been the biggest drawback to me.

I don’t think the users of this forum represent the majority of people that use Festool. So as you said, most people don’t utilize the Systainers to their full potential.

In the end of the day, Festool knew about Bott racking coming to the US when they did that transition to Sys3. (and it was already available in Europe) So it made zero sense to keep selling their tools in T-Loc, while meanwhile pushing van racking optimized for Sys3.

What would be a great alternative is selling bare tools, without the Systainer, at a lower price. It probably will never happen though.

That's my point though. Why would they "push" Bott? Is it a related company like Tanos?
If not, why conform to it?
If you had Pack Out before, that means buying new Tanos, which fits them.

I get what you mean about dividers or foam, that's a lot of work for just storage, but in a mobile situation, it's probably pretty important. Having things move around in the boxes can't be good.

Personally, I never saw the value in Sysports. The utility is great, but the price was way over the top, for something that can be built in the shop....especially by the people who own these tools.

The thing I think would be "great" is to sell them without the Plug-It cable. I have a drawer full of them and at the cost of $40 some dollars, they are an expensive waste. BUT, I can definitely see a lot of people upset about that. I can hear the "What? it doesn't work, right out of the box?"
Plus, it would be something that the dealers would have to "maintain/manage", but once you have more than 2 or so tools that use Plug-it, why?