Syscart not holding newer systainers

[Witchetty Grub]

Seth,

Thanks for the welcome,  taking the time to check this issue, and for your encouragement.  Both my MIDI and the T-Loc Systainer are the latest models.  So old not fitting with new is not the issue.

The T-Lock Systainers when latched to a MIDI lack a secondary lateral restraint that I understand was a feature of the old Systainers.  The old Systainers in addition to their latches had a secondary lateral constraint comprised of four bottom pads that mated with corresponding recesses in the top of the MIDI

Unfortunately, without a secondary lateral constraint the T-Loc Systainer has potential for unlatching or latch failure when subject to a large sideways or lateral force.  For example when the MIDI has a heavy stack of loaded Systainers attached and it accidently runs into an unyeilding object.

Except for this issue I am really impressed with the ergonomics and very high functionality of these tools.  Consequently I intend to keep both my MIDI and Sander. And will most likely purchase more Festools in the future.  However, I think it would be prudent for Festool's to fix this issue.

What I think is needed is a simple "Systainer Restrainer" that prevents lateral movement.  It would consist of a flat plate that fits into the 7 mm space between the top of  the MIDI and the bottom of the Systainer with square holes that constrain the feet of the Systainer. In addition it would have four pads protruding from its bottom face that mate with the four corresponding recesses in the top of the MIDI.

It is cheap insurance so when I buy more Festools and start loading up my MIDI I will definitely make one.

Witchetty

 

[semenza]

Seth,

Thanks for the welcome,  taking the time to check this issue, and for your encouragement.  Both my MIDI and the T-Loc Systainer are the latest models.  So old not fitting with new is not the issue.

The T-Lock Systainers when latched to a MIDI lack a secondary lateral restraint that I understand was a feature of the old Systainers.  The old Systainers in addition to their latches had a secondary lateral constraint comprised of four bottom pads that mated with corresponding recesses in the top of the MIDI

Unfortunately, without a secondary lateral constraint the T-Loc Systainer has potential for unlatching or latch failure when subject to a large sideways or lateral force.  For example when the MIDI has a heavy stack of loaded Systainers attached and it accidently runs into an unyeilding object.
Except for this issue I am really impressed with the ergonomics and very high functionality of these tools.  Consequently I intend to keep both my MIDI and Sander. And will most likely purchase more Festools in the future.  However, I think it would be prudent for Festool's to fix this issue.

What I think is needed is a simple "Systainer Restrainer" that prevents lateral movement.  It would consist of a flat plate that fits into the 7 mm space between the top of  the MIDI and the bottom of the Systainer with square holes that constrain the feet of the Systainer. In addition it would have four pads protruding from its bottom face that mate with the four corresponding recesses in the top of the MIDI.

It is cheap insurance so when I buy more Festools and start loading up my MIDI I will definitely make one.

Witchetty

I could see that possibly happening. 

When I wrote old with new design, I simply meant that the Midi top was designed way before T-Locs existed and has not been redesigned. Hence old with new. Why the T-Locs don't have pads , I don't know, maybe something to do with them mating with other T-Locs.  ???

Seth

 

[festoolviking]

Hi!

When Festool brought out the T-loc I got 4 new locks/clips (green ones) for my MIDI. They just turned up in the mail probably because my vacuum was registered.
When I first got them I didn't have a clue why. But when I got my first T-loc it made sense.

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The one to the left is for the classic and the one to the right for the T-loc.

festoolviking

 

[nclemmons]

That's great to know.  I have a midi and have noticed the T-locs are harder to mount and slip more.  I'll call Festool and see if they offer these in the US.

Thanks for sharing.

neil

 

[RonMiller]

I just got a Midi from Uncle Bob today and would like to know what you find out because I have alot of the newer systainers.

 

[Eli]

I'm still rocking the classics all the way around. 4 rollerboys, they're a big part of me getting in and out. Anybody have the best thread for a cart with the MFT-1080 on top, legs folded?

 

[Witchetty Grub]

Festoolviking,

Did your T-Loc Systainer have less lateral movement after you changed to the newer Latches?

Thanks
Wichetty

 

[festoolviking]

Festoolviking,

Did your T-Loc Systainer have less lateral movement after you changed to the newer Latches?

Thanks
Wichetty

Yes, less movement and I would say that the classic moves less too with the new latches.

Festoolviking

 

[Witchetty Grub]

Festoolviking,

Thanks for your quick response.  It seems like the new latches could be a good solution for light loads and average conditions.  However, I still think that for heavy loads an additional lateral restraint may be needed.  I guess time will tell.

Thanks again
Witchetty