Systainer TLock 1

[sebr023]

Hi all!

So Ive come across this listing in my area. Would that be a good deal? What’s the difference between this and the syst3 that comes with festool tool.

They seems to be selling for 80-108 cad online.

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[squall_line]

250 CAD is around 171 USD.

83 CAD per unit or 57 USD per unit is within spitting distance of brand new pricing for the actual Festool (not Tanos) branded version.

For used Systainers.

Wouldn't be worth it to me, personally, even if I needed that size for something specific, unless I had a bunch of newer Sys3 versions I was trying to swap out and that I could sell along to make up for the price.

 

[sebr023]

250 CAD is around 171 USD.

83 CAD per unit or 57 USD per unit is within spitting distance of brand new pricing for the actual Festool (not Tanos) branded version.

For used Systainers.

Wouldn't be worth it to me, personally, even if I needed that size for something specific, unless I had a bunch of newer Sys3 versions I was trying to swap out and that I could sell along to make up for the price.

So you say the sys3 are newer and I’d be better to get some sys3?

What would be a faire price for the one in the listing? And what’s the difference between the tanos and the festool? Is it only the size (from my research they appear to be 112mm high, vs festool sys3 are 137?!)  I thought tanos were manufacturing the festool one.

 

[semenza]

T-Loc is the previous version of Systainers to the Sys3 (gen 3 ).  The T-Loc size I is 112mm height. There were five T-Loc heights.

There are six Sys3 heights  112mm, 137, 187, 237, 337, 437.

Except for the 112mm the other T-Loc height s are not the same as the Sys3 heights. This is a stacking issue for some people. Personally I like having them different because I have a lot of T-Locs as well and it opens up more size options.

Both types that have the same foot print and are compatible with each other for connecting.

Other features that the Sys3 have and the T-Loc do not have are ( these may or may not matter to you).......  built in rails for the BOTT racking system. Front handle / pull.

Some people prefer T-Locs to Sys3 for a variety of reasons that may or may not matter to you. The fact that T-Locs are no longer available may be why the price of the ones you are looking at is pretty much the same as new.

Yes, Tanos and Festool Systainers are the same except for green color , logo and such. They are fully compatible and all are made by Tanos.

Seth

EDIT to add > "that"

 

[onocoffee]

I'm pretty new to Festool - meaning I came to the brand during the SYS3 era, so I don't have T-Loc systainers. I like and prefer the SYS3 because there's a range of sizes and since I do use the SYS Rails, it makes it easy - plus I like the front handles/supports.

At nearly $60, it is very close to the price for new SYS3, which wouldn't be worth it to me. If buying used, I would prefer a solid discount. Here's an ad for some empty T-Loc and SYS3 systainers that I tried to get but someone has beaten me to. Works out to $25 each, which I think is a great price for them.
https://www.facebook.com/share/197GN8qFCr/

See if you can get them down a bit. If not, there is always someone out there trying to sell their systainers.

 

[sebr023]

I'm pretty new to Festool - meaning I came to the brand during the SYS3 era, so I don't have T-Loc systainers. I like and prefer the SYS3 because there's a range of sizes and since I do use the SYS Rails, it makes it easy - plus I like the front handles/supports.

At nearly $60, it is very close to the price for new SYS3, which wouldn't be worth it to me. If buying used, I would prefer a solid discount. Here's an ad for some empty T-Loc and SYS3 systainers that I tried to get but someone has beaten me to. Works out to $25 each, which I think is a great price for them.
https://www.facebook.com/share/197GN8qFCr/

See if you can get them down a bit. If not, there is always someone out there trying to sell their systainers.

God Damn! Those are good! Wo!

Thing is, I’m from Quebec/canada. And the used market for ANY is completely ridiculous. That’s a running gag with a friend of mine. We always send each others sh*t from marketplace that has insane price.

Like a workbench made using 2x4, like 2x4 ft. They will sell this like 400$. It’s crazy. All the festool tool sells what the listing for new is - 50$. Beaaaat up festool vac for like 100$ less than new. I should check on my
Phone to find you guys exemple haha.

So yeah, there’s not a lot of systainer for sale in my area. But I’ll keep my eyes open for sure. I’m not in a rush.

Oh, also, even new systainer. Let’s say from systainer shop (or store can’t remember) is like 80-100cad new. 50$ shipping. + taxes. And I’m talking about that m137, nothing crazy.
I got a similar experience with Tso track squares. It’s almost 200cad  more for the sustainer + foam and shipping.

 

[sebr023]

T-Loc is the previous version of Systainers to the Sys3 (gen 3 ).  The T-Loc size I is 112mm height. There were five T-Loc heights.

There are six Sys3 heights  112mm, 137, 187, 237, 337, 437.

Except for the 112mm the other T-Loc height s are not the same as the Sys3 heights. This is a stacking issue for some people. Personally I like having them different because I have a lot of T-Locs as well and it opens up more size options.

Both types that have the same foot print and are compatible with each other for connecting.

Other features that the Sys3 have and the T-Loc do not have are ( these may or may not matter to you).......  built in rails for the BOTT racking system. Front handle / pull.

Some people prefer T-Locs to Sys3 for a variety of reasons that may or may not matter to you. The fact that T-Locs are no longer available may be why the price of the ones you are looking at is pretty much the same as new.

Yes, Tanos and Festool Systainers are the same except for green color , logo and such. They are fully compatible and all are made by Tanos.

Seth

EDIT to add > "that"

Thanks so much for that thorough answer!

 

[Coen]

T-Loc has logical heights, Sys3 doesn't

Other than that; looks at least twice too expensive. But I don't know Canadian pricing.

 

[JCB]

Both types that have the same foot print and are compatible with each other for connecting.

EDIT to add > "that"

Recently I put a tloc Midi on a SYS3 sortainer and it doesnt stack! The Systainer3 doesent have the recesses built into the top to acomodate the wider front feet of the Midi. I have a bunch of TLocs and I will probably only collect the SYS3s by default and if I want the extra inch they provide.  But the variety in sizes is sort of mute when you can no longer find all the sizes because the Tlocs are now scarce, and priced up some.  That said, and I may be wrong about this, but other than being able to stack a Midi on top, the Sys1 has a Systainer3 equivelent so I'm not sure what reasons a Sys 1 would be priced at a premium.

 

[semenza]

Both types that have the same foot print and are compatible with each other for connecting.

EDIT> to add "that"

Recently I put a tloc Midi on a SYS3 sortainer and it doesnt stack! The Systainer3 doesent have the recesses built into the top to acomodate the wider front feet of the Midi. I have a bunch of TLocs and I will probably only collect the SYS3s by default and if I want the extra inch they provide.  But the variety in sizes is sort of mute when you can no longer find all the sizes because the Tlocs are now scarce, and priced up some.  That said, and I may be wrong about this, but other than being able to stack a Midi on top, the Sys1 has a Systainer3 equivelent so I'm not sure what reasons a Sys 1 would be priced at a premium.

Sorry, I should have stated more clearly that the connections are compatible both ways for the same foot print sizes. Regular size T-Locs and Size 'M'  Sys3.

However the Sys3 (gen 3)  will stack and connect on top of a T-Loc Midi. But not the other way around as you discovered.

Seth

 

[mino]

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Sys1 has a Systainer3 equivelent so I'm not sure what reasons a Sys 1 would be priced at a premium.

Well, it has a bit more internal space, no (stupid for 112) front handle and plain just looks better. If it finds buyers, the price was not too high ...

Over here, a new SYS I (Classic) goes €70. And it still sells ... for some uses (like semi-static in SYS-AZ) it is plain better than even the T-Loc.

[cool]

 

[Coen]

..
Sys1 has a Systainer3 equivelent so I'm not sure what reasons a Sys 1 would be priced at a premium.

Well, it has a bit more internal space, no (stupid for 112) front handle and plain just looks better. If it finds buyers, the price was not too high ...

Over here, a new SYS I (Classic) goes €70. And it still sells ... for some uses (like semi-static in SYS-AZ) it is plain better than even the T-Loc.

[cool]

Yeah, just like 14.4V batteries are still sold to corporate buyers who just keep on doing the same sh*t for 20 years until some intern in the buying department figures out they can save the company a million bucks a year by updating some stuff to modern standards.

 

[mino]

Yeah, just like 14.4V batteries are still sold to corporate buyers who just keep on doing the same sh*t for 20 years until some intern in the buying department figures out they can save the company a million bucks a year by updating some stuff to modern standards.

And in this case they would be doing the right thing.

Try closing a SYS-AZ drawer without closing the catches ... sounds silly, but if something breaks an efficient workflow, spending €60 to maintain that is money well spent.

Though I do believe most sell to small/independent buyers, not corporations. I will be in business for a bunch of them later this year /if I cannot grab 2nd hand ones/ specifically for the SYS-AZ issue ... or if I do not decide the fugly Makita variety is good-enough for me.

 

[luvmytoolz]

... or if I do not decide the fugly Makita variety is good-enough for me.

No Mino, just no! ;-)

Life's too short for fugly Makita systainers!

 

[Michael Kellough]

I don’t know the height increments of the Makita Sys range but they have solved the sticky latch problem of the Classic Systainers. Sometimes feel like I’m about to rip my thumbnail off trying to flip open a Classic Sys latch. No problem with the Makita Sys latch, so far.

 

[sebr023]

RE to when I said people here sell used thing way too expansive:
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its lightly used, but he didnt even bothers to removing the sales taxes hahah

 

[onocoffee]

That is a lot. "Used once" - Let me guess, it's in a T-Loc systainer, ten years old and looks dirty.

They always say their Festool was "used once"...

 

[squall_line]

RE to when I said people here sell used thing way too expansive:
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its lightly used, but he didnt even bothers to removing the sales taxes hahah

In the US, at least, when you sell through eBay or other marketplaces, if you use their payment systems and shipping, the buyer is required to pay sales tax.  It's completely normal.  If I take private payment, I don't have to charge sales tax unless I'm a reseller.

 

[Coen]

That is a lot. "Used once" - Let me guess, it's in a T-Loc systainer, ten years old and looks dirty.

They always say their Festool was "used once"...

I found a listing of a "new" Metabo drill with NiCD batteries.

 

[sebr023]

RE to when I said people here sell used thing way too expansive:
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its lightly used, but he didnt even bothers to removing the sales taxes hahah

In the US, at least, when you sell through eBay or other marketplaces, if you use their payment systems and shipping, the buyer is required to pay sales tax.  It's completely normal.  If I take private payment, I don't have to charge sales tax unless I'm a reseller.

what is shocking to me, it lets say you want to sell it 150$ less than retail new. than remove 150$ from sale price before taxe. He removed 150$ from retail with taxe added.