Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology

[FestitaMakool]

Hi,
According to what I have read with a large Danish Festool dealer, the TKS is expected to be in sale here in around June 2020.

 

[wpz]

Hi,

In the new German catalogue it says on page 64 that the TKS 80 will be available from summer 2020.
You can find it here

wpz

 

[Bob D.]

Hi,

In the new German catalogue it says on page 64 that the TKS 80 will be available from summer 2020.
You can find it here

wpz

Was ist das ?

 

[AlexThePalex]

Was ist das ?

Absaugschlauch mit integrierter Druckluft für Druckluft-Schleifmachinen wie die LRS400 und Lex 3.

 

[Bob D.]

Danke

 

[Intex]

Thanks everyone! So I'll be on the lookout this next summer, any idea of price?

 

[peter halle]

Thanks everyone! So I'll be on the lookout this next summer, any idea of price?

[member=62093]Intex[/member] , if you are in the US, I wouldn’t be getting overly excited.  Festool USA has not indicated that this product will come here yet. Yes, things may have been spotted on websites that give hope, but Festool USA has not announced an arrival.

Peter

 

[AlexThePalex]

Thanks everyone! So I'll be on the lookout this next summer, any idea of price?

If they follow the same pricing they have for the current CS70 saw in Europe, expect at least $2000 for the basic model and closer to $3000 for a set with all the extensions.

 

[Dusty.House]

Thanks everyone! So I'll be on the lookout this next summer, any idea of price?

[member=62093]Intex[/member] , if you are in the US, I wouldn’t be getting overly excited.  Festool USA has not indicated that this product will come here yet. Yes, things may have been spotted on websites that give hope, but Festool USA has not announced an arrival.

Peter

Actually Festool told us at ToolGuyd that it will not come to the US.

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[urowho]

Maybe the plan is to modify the CS70 to add SawStop?

I doubt it. They might develop a new saw. They made the TKS80 with SawStop as a standard table saw, I hope they also make one with the pull saw design. Or else I see a Mafell Erika in my future, when my current CS70 craps out. A pull saw is much nicer and safer to work with than a standard table saw.

I'm in the market for a new table saw with safety in mind. Some ripping, some trimming of joints etc via cross cutting. If safety is my number one priority are you suggesting that something like an erika 85 with a sliding table is safer? I'll not be cutting down large sheet as I have a TS55 and loads of tracks, raw timber will be on a band saw, I'll not be doing housings or rebates as I have a router and hand planes.

Keeping all my fingers is my number one concern.

The TKS80 also looks very expensive for something out of the Czech republic rather than Germany. Not a comment on their engineering, it's team effort but more about cost of living and therefore cost of manufacture.

 

[Birdhunter]

For safety concerns, why not buy a SawStop?

 

[Cheese]

Not a comment on their engineering, it's team effort but more about cost of living and therefore cost of manufacture.

Or in reality...Festool profitability.  [smile]

 

[urowho]

For safety concerns, why not buy a SawStop?

That's my question really. Anyone with experience of both got a view on which feels safer? I'm in the UK so I could only buy the new TKS80 and I prefer the ability to slide. Having said that if my number one priority is finger preservation.

On profits, I agree, the price doesn't seem to have reduced to match the eastern europe construction the beneficiary being the DoF. Having said that it's not going to sell many units so possibly the only way to make the R&D cost doable is by reducing manufacturing costs.

Cheers.

 

[AlexThePalex]

If safety is my number one priority are you suggesting that something like an erika 85 with a sliding table is safer?

I think SawStop rechnology is the safest, because it protects you from any mistake you make. From a safety standpoint there is nothing that can beat that.

A pull saw has a different way of operating, which prevents you from making a lot of mistakes in the first place, and is therefor safer than a standard table saw. With a normal saw you have to move the wood into the blade, which means your hands move to the blade, and you possibly have to change your stance to keep your balance while the wood moves. But with a pull saw, you move the blade into the wood, both your hands are far away from the blade, and your body stands still in perfect balance.

By the way, my number one priority is also safety and keeping my fingers. As a musician, I make a lot more money lately by playing the guitar than by chopping wood. My number 1 safety mechanism is my fear and my mind, by keeping my bloody concentration on what I'm doing when that blde is spinning.

 

[Birdhunter]

A radial arm saw operates with a pull stoke yet, I think, is a dangerous tool.

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

A radial arm saw operates with a pull stoke yet, I think, is a dangerous tool.

Totally different design and operation though.
A radial has all the blade and motor above the table and workpiece, which give potential for a lot of accidents, I have witnessed two separate appalling accidents with radial arm saws.
They’re very useful but, as you say potentially dangerous too.
The pull push table saws are upside down compared to a radial, the blade is below the table and workpiece, set at a suitable height to cut the workpiece. One hand is pulling or pushing the blade, from a knob at the front of the saw, the other hand is holding the workpiece, well away form the spinning blade, or the workpiece may even be clamped etc.
This is a very safe and practical way of cutting, ass opposed to pushing the workpiece into a spinning blade.

Having said that, there’s potential danger with any power tool, some more than others though.

An ideal safety table saw, would be something like a pull push type, with the SawStop tech but, I’m pretty sure at least currently, the SawStop tech can’t be used with a pull push saw. Well at least in pull push mode anyway.

 

[threesixright]

The TKS80 also looks very expensive for something out of the Czech republic rather than Germany. Not a comment on their engineering, it's team effort but more about cost of living and therefore cost of manufacture.

Salaries are not what they used to be. The country is doing well, so increase of pay.

You can buy the set (pre order) under 3k (EUR). Not that bad i think (still a lot of money).

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[urowho]

The TKS80 also looks very expensive for something out of the Czech republic rather than Germany. Not a comment on their engineering, it's team effort but more about cost of living and therefore cost of manufacture.

Salaries are not what they used to be. The country is doing well, so increase of pay.

You can buy the set (pre order) under 3k (EUR). Not that bad i think (still a lot of money).

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It's quite funny as I'm a surgeon (hence the worry regarding fingers) and as a public sector worker in the UK my pay is down 1/3 since 2008! So I feel the prices all the more acutely!

 

[pingvinlakrits]

Felder seems to have one up on Festool on the table safety now:
https://www.facebook.com/feldergroupusa/videos/857046994655619/


Felder PCS - no cartridge to exchange, no maintenance, no blade or machine damage and just a button to reset the machine and keep going. Also, they are testing with their own fingers!  [eek]

 

[threesixright]

Felder PCS - no cartridge to exchange, no maintenance, no blade or machine damage and just a button to reset the machine and keep going. Also, they are testing with their own fingers!  [eek]

Awesome tech, yet I don't think this will be available under 3k. More likely 3x that ...

BTW PCS is already mentioned here on FOG.