Tank-less Water Heater

We have the big Steibel-eltron for our house and a smaller one for the granny unit.

No prob with the smaller . Our big one started failing on one side within a year , and they replaced it under warranty with a "redesigned" version.

No problems for several years.

Only problem with tankless water heaters is teenage boys and showers.....
 
We just installed a tankless in our summer cottage (gutted and rebuilt whole place this winter/spring using my now vast Festool collection).  It previously had a 50 gallon AOSmith electric tank unit.  Space is a premium so I wanted a tankless to free up the space that was the closet that held the existing unit.  Cottage is 700sq/ft, so we needed the space.  I considered Rinnai and Rheem.  

Upon talking with friends/family in the Plumbing trade one friend convinced me to look at a brand called Eternal.  It is a hybrid unit that is tankless technology, but also contains a 2 gallon reserve tank so you you do not have that ramp up time when you turn on a faucet calling for hot water as the 2 gal tank is always on call.  I never have previously used a tankless in any of my homes and was skeptical.  I installed the unit in April, running all new gas lines as no gas existed in the cottage.  Gas consisted of a LP above ground tank and the Eternal was converted to LP from Natural Gas.  I believe there are 3 or 4 units in their line and I chose a middle unit -the Eternal GU145.  I do not have paperwork in front of me, but I believe unit was $1,600.  Labor would probably have been at least that same cost if not up to $3,000, however I ran all the gas lines and installed the unit, bringing cold water supply to the unit using PEX...Uponor PEX not Depot or Lowes type.  Venting consists of a PVC intake and a separate PVC exhaust venting to exterior (vertical or horizontal).  Installing the entire unit, supply lines, venting, condensation drainage and gas lines took a full day and was easy.  I am not a plumber, but very comfortable doing the work and of course had friend double check everything and pull necessary permits for gas, etc.  

This is all with my unit being moved to a small framed out storage nook in the loft are of the attic.  It sounds like your conversion would be much easier as everything exists to be tied into.

After 3 months I can honestly say I will never put a conventional water heater in again in any home.  A previous concern many bring up is noise.  This thing is very quiet.  It does come on periodically for a few seconds to keep the reserve tank hot, but it is quiet and does not vibrate.  The unit is stainless steel, so rusting should not be an issue (cottage close to ocean).  My unit supplies a full bath, a half bath, an outdoor shower 8), and sink/DW in kitchen and unit is more than enough.  Showers are endless hot water, no "cold water sandwiching", etc.  I love the unit so far (almost 4 months) and it dropped electric bill by about 50%.

This is the only brand I have ever used, but I am very happy with it.  Sorry for long reply...
 
Artic01 said:
We just installed a tankless in our summer cottage (gutted and rebuilt whole place this winter/spring using my now vast Festool collection).  It previously had a 50 gallon AOSmith electric tank unit.  Space is a premium so I wanted a tankless to free up the space that was the closet that held the existing unit.  Cottage is 700sq/ft, so we needed the space.  I considered Rinnai and Rheem.  

Upon talking with friends/family in the Plumbing trade one friend convinced me to look at a brand called Eternal.  It is a hybrid unit that is tankless technology, but also contains a 2 gallon reserve tank so you you do not have that ramp up time when you turn on a faucet calling for hot water as the 2 gal tank is always on call.  I never have previously used a tankless in any of my homes and was skeptical.  I installed the unit in April, running all new gas lines as no gas existed in the cottage.  Gas consisted of a LP above ground tank and the Eternal was converted to LP from Natural Gas.  I believe there are 3 or 4 units in their line and I chose a middle unit -the Eternal GU145.  I do not have paperwork in front of me, but I believe unit was $1,600.  Labor would probably have been at least that same cost if not up to $3,000, however I ran all the gas lines and installed the unit, bringing cold water supply to the unit using PEX...Uponor PEX not Depot or Lowes type.  Venting consists of a PVC intake and a separate PVC exhaust venting to exterior (vertical or horizontal).  Installing the entire unit, supply lines, venting, condensation drainage and gas lines took a full day and was easy.  I am not a plumber, but very comfortable doing the work and of course had friend double check everything and pull necessary permits for gas, etc.  

This is all with my unit being moved to a small framed out storage nook in the loft are of the attic.  It sounds like your conversion would be much easier as everything exists to be tied into.

After 3 months I can honestly say I will never put a conventional water heater in again in any home.  A previous concern many bring up is noise.  This thing is very quiet.  It does come on periodically for a few seconds to keep the reserve tank hot, but it is quiet and does not vibrate.  The unit is stainless steel, so rusting should not be an issue (cottage close to ocean).  My unit supplies a full bath, a half bath, an outdoor shower 8), and sink/DW in kitchen and unit is more than enough.  Showers are endless hot water, no "cold water sandwiching", etc.  I love the unit so far (almost 4 months) and it dropped electric bill by about 50%.

This is the only brand I have ever used, but I am very happy with it.  Sorry for long reply...

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Since you have the gas line already, and the unit is in a closet outside of the main house, your installation costs will be much less than many others. Venting will be easier, and, hopefully, the gas line in sized large enough to handle the very high demand; you'll likely need at least a 3/4" line to supply up to 200k BTU's for a typical tankless WH.

All the high-efficiency units need electricity to run, so you won't have hot water during a power outage as you would with a conventional gas WH.

You could do a like-for-like replacement with your conventional WH for about $300 DIY, so the extra cost of the tankless will take a long time to pay you back--like maybe about as long as the life of the tankless, so unless your hot water needs really compel you to go to a tankless, you might be better off to stick with the conventional type.
 
I am also considering a conversion to tankless.  I currently have a 40 gal and a 50 gal electric tanks, which probably costs me quite a bit in electricity.  Also, once I do a bathroom remodel, I will need to fill a 80+ gallon tub.  Eternal brand looked really nice, but after seeing the reviews on Amazon, I doubt I will go that way.  There are a lot of reviews documenting reliability issues and poor customer support.  Rinnai seems like a well reviewed product.  I really like that internal 2 gallon tank feature of the Eternal, and I am wondering if maybe I could just combine a Rinnai with a very small (2.5 gallon) electric tank right after the Rinnai output and eliminate that "cold sandwiich" but keep the electricity costs down.  Since I have no gas service, I will also have to add a propane tank...  These things just have a way of busting a budget easily....
 
I installed a Rinnai Tankless unit about 3 years ago in conjunction with a manibloc distribution system.  We love it, but Tankless units can be problematic if you miss critical details (water chemistry is one of them.... remember this is a huge heat exchanger with tiny orifices, so mineral scaling is an issue you need to be aware of). Some other things to consider....  They can exceed 200,000 BTU, so you will need adequate gas supply (3/4", but sometimes 1" Gas supply line is required for extended runs), pay attention to venting slopes and condensate drains, and Flush your system (I use food grade white vinegar) yearly (at a minimum) to remove any scaling.  Ensure that you or the installer installs the flush valve set.  We have installed Rinnai, Noritz, and Navian units in different homes.  I like some of the venting options (PVC venting) some of the others have, but overall I like the quality, fit/finish, and noise level of the Rinnai unit better than the others I have installed.  Hope this helps.  Good luck!   
 
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