TDK 12 Drill Performance question

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I just purchased a used tdk 12.  My intention was to have a good allround shop drill.  To test the drill, I used it today to build a mini deck.  I was able to drive around 30 3" deck screws before the battery died.  Is this normal performance or are my batteries just worn out. 
If anyone has, or has had, both the tdk 12 and the C12 - do they perform the same, or is the c12 superior?  Any advice would be appreciated.

Jim
 
Jim,
This will probably cause some debate, but I had both models of the Festool drills and I found the batteries substandard in both of them. In my opinion - and it is only an opinion - I think the drills are the weak link in the Festol range. (One of them also fell to bits when I dropped it on my workshop floor) They are the only Festool product which I would not buy again. Having said all that, I am sure there are others out there who will say we have both been unlucky and Festool drills are great. I now use Panasonic & Porter Cable in my workshop and DeWalt for outside work.
 
I like my TDK, but probably wouldn't if I built decks for a living.  The only time I've burned batteries faster than they can charge was driving the deck screws made for composite decking.  There are probably no 12V drills that are good for that task though.  I do have to admit that my TDK batteries have never impressed me, but the drill itself is nicer than any other I've owned.  Unlike Ken, mine has proven pretty durable so far.  I would look elsewhere if your tasks often require long screws, hole saws, or large forstner bits.  I reverted to a corded unit to take care of my deck.
 
I have been dissapointed in my TDK12 drill.  It does not have the torque that I expected, the battery life is short, and (even though the drill is not used much) I had to have the batteries rebuilt after only three years. 

I do like the feal of the drill and the different heads for it.  But, it simply does not have enough power to drive screws the way that I expected it to.  The only times that I use the drill to drive screws are times when those screws are in akward spots.  The main use I make of the drill is to drill holes 1/4 inch and smaller and I like it very much for that type of work.
 
THe C12 rocks, favorite tool, used it numerous times this year doing composite decks and porches.  Ran in a ton of GRK structural screws with it.  I could get a full day at least out of the C12.  Sorry I cant help your tkd problem,  should have got the C12.

My fav.
 
WarnerConstCo. said:
THe C12 rocks, favorite tool, used it numerous times this year doing composite decks and porches.  Ran in a ton of GRK structural screws with it.  I could get a full day at least out of the C12.  Sorry I cant help your tkd problem,  should have got the C12.

My fav.
I hear what you say, but I heard similar good reports about the TDK before I purchased it.  But, on the other hand the TDK12 is my only Festool tool that I have been disappointed with.
 
I recently purchased a C12, and I've been pretty happy with it. I also have the Makita 18v LXT cordless tools, and I count on those more for larger rough-framing duties. I bought the C12 as more of a go-to, lightweight drill for trim-out duties such as cabinet construction and installation, as well as installing door handles, etc, where my Makita drill is too big and bulky, and my impact driver had too much torque. So, for, say, framing a deck I'm more likely to rely on my Makita stuff, whereas I'm counting on my C12 for more finesse applications, though I recently used it with the depth-stop chuck to screw-out a cedar deck using 2.5" screws, and so long as I was conscious about immediately charging spent batteries I never was left without a charged battery.

Something to keep in mind as far as batteries go is there are three different Ah options, 1.3, 2.4, and 3.0. I bought the 1.3Ah to keep weight down, knowing that the batteries will have to be charged more often. Ideally, I like the idea of buying the Ni-MH batteries, but their poor performance in Minnesota winters have discouraged me.

Frank, regarding your batteries having to be rebuilt after 3 years, I know it sounds sad but I was chatting with the GM at 7 Corners Ace Hardware the other day about tool batteries and he claimed that, regardless of frequency of usage, that most power tool batteries are pretty much useless after 2-4 years. My Makita LXT batteries wouldn't charge after roughly 2.5 years (hard use, 6+ days a week), but my local retailer simply warrantied them out and simply gave me two new batteries and later a charger right off the wall. Likewise, as much as I'd like to think otherwise, I don't really expect to get more than 2 years of life from my C12 batteries, and will just pro-rate the purchase of new packs into my bids.
 
Tom Gensmer said:
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Frank, regarding your batteries having to be rebuilt after 3 years, I know it sounds sad but I was chatting with the GM at 7 Corners Ace Hardware the other day about tool batteries and he claimed that, regardless of frequency of usage, that most power tool batteries are pretty much useless after 2-4 years. My Makita LXT batteries wouldn't charge after roughly 2.5 years (hard use, 6+ days a week), but my local retailer simply warrantied them out and simply gave me two new batteries and later a charger right off the wall. Likewise, as much as I'd like to think otherwise, I don't really expect to get more than 2 years of life from my C12 batteries, and will just pro-rate the purchase of new packs into my bids.
I didn't know about the likely 2-4 year battery life.  The Festool TDK was my first battery powered tool and, since I have no bids to pro-rate the cost of new packs into, it appears that I am better off without such tools.
 
Hi again Frank! I want to be clear that the 2-4 year life span for tool batteries is simply my understanding based on conversations with tool reps and vendors, I certainly don't have any laboratory data to support this. That being said, however, yeah, I would probably plan on buying new batteries every 3-4 years, or buying a new cordless tool every so often. The nice thing about the Festool cordless stuff is that, assuming they carry on their Fastfix compatibility, once you own the all of the chucks and accessories, you only need to make that investment once, and after that you're either simply replacing worn batteries, or replacing a tool every now and then. I've stopped-by the Makita service center and observed guys buying 9v batteries for Makita cordless drills that had to be 15+ years old! One guy even brought in what looked like the first-run Makita cordless dill and the housing was just destroyed! He had the tech order a new housing for him, he said that the chuck and transmission worked great, just needed a new body! So, if that's any indication, so long as you don't mind buying new batteries every so often your drill should last a LONG time!  ;D

If it makes you feel any better, I would imagine that Festool likely has better quality controls on their battery manufacturing than most others, so if you're going to invest in a cordless set I'd much rather invest in Festool.  :)
 
My experience with two previous drills is that the batteries lasted around 6 years and limped along for a couple more.  My TDK is 4 years old and already limping along for a couple years.  It barely functions now.  I'll get the packs rebuilt because I like the drill, but I recommend against Festool drills to others based on my experience.  Not cost effective.
 
JayStPeter said:
My experience with two previous drills is that the batteries lasted around 6 years and limped along for a couple more.  My TDK is 4 years old and already limping along for a couple years.  It barely functions now.  I'll get the packs rebuilt because I like the drill, but I recommend against Festool drills to others based on my experience.  Not cost effective.
Well put Jay.  The sentence above that I have highlighted exactly expresses my opinion.
 
Good point Frank,

For full time professional use, I've found two makes that provide the most value for money (both tacky brands, oddly enough). I used to use Ryobi 18v stuff.

Yes, I know, I know, but the batteries are $20.00 (used to get 6 months out of them, but at that price they're consumables)

Then I brought Sears Craftsman, tacky tools, but at $10/year for the replacement warranty (mark my calendar, keep the receipt, after a year I get a new tool with new batteries and give them another $10 :)
 
Steve some of the newer craftsman stuff is great! They are not tacky and don't put yourself down for using them.  Though I do not think Ryobi are the greatest tools if you can use them to make something with your own hands then they are doing their job.

Nickao
 
I recall Ridgid applied their lifetime warranty to drills and batteries.  I'm not sure if they haven't learned since and have an exception for batteries.  If not ...
 
We've got 3 festool drills, but I've always been a fan of impact drivers that I discovered over in the US.  I was working on a roof this weekend and driving 120mm torx head screws through what I think you call rafters over there into ancient oak beams.  I naturally reached for the impact driver (a Makita) but while my colleague was using that I grabbed the 15.6volt TDK not to lose time.  I am surprised to say the TDK had less trouble driving the screws than the Makita.  I was amazed by its torque (and battery life) as I normally only use it for things like kitchen fitting.  I can't comment on the 12v TDK but find the C12 to have an excellent battery life, tho' obviously a lot less oomph.  I desperately want the new Protool impact drivers.
 
richard.selwyn said:
We've got 3 festool drills, but I've always been a fan of impact drivers that I discovered over in the US.  I was working on a roof this weekend and driving 120mm torx head screws through what I think you call rafters over there into ancient oak beams.  I naturally reached for the impact driver (a Makita) but while my colleague was using that I grabbed the 15.6volt TDK not to lose time.  I am surprised to say the TDK had less trouble driving the screws than the Makita.  I was amazed by its torque (and battery life) as I normally only use it for things like kitchen fitting.  I can't comment on the 12v TDK but find the C12 to have an excellent battery life, tho' obviously a lot less oomph.  I desperately want the new Protool impact drivers.

LOL

Do you have soaps?

LOL
 
The NiMH batteries supplied with my 12V Makita drill are getting weak after 5 years.  They still take and hold a charge, but the true amp-hour capacity is definitely much less than when new.  I used to be able to drive ~130 2 3/4 decking screws into old SYP joists when the batteries and drill were new; now they will only drive about 25 screws before recharging is needed.

I've been wanting a C12 for a few years, especially for the optional chucks, but have been skeptical about battery life and replacement cost since I have no one to charge the cost to but myself!  I did see an impressive demo of the C12 drill at Festool's NV training center.  Brian repeatedly screwed and unscrewed a 16 inch timber framing screw into a large chunk of wood.  Although his goal was to demonstrate the motor and battery saving circuitry of the C12 system which beeps and shuts down the drill until things cool off to a safe temperature, it took several cycles of installing and removing that large screw, each time in fresh wood, before the beep / shutdown occurred.  The drill and battery produced far more torque and power than I ever expected from such a small package.

Panasonic, Makita, Craftsman and other have gone to LiON batteries which PC makers moved to even earlier due to lighter weight at equal power level, less memory issues and greater number of charge/discharge cycles compared to older battery technology.  When I asked Festool's factory training representative
about this, he stated that all NiCad batteries and charging/monitoring technolgies are not alike and indicated that Festool's NiCad system was superior in life expectancy to competitors.  This seems to be contradicted by the expericences expressed by others in this discussion thread.

Dave R.
 
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