The FOG should be linked from the Festool site

[nickao]

The FOG being deleted from the Festool website is a slap in the face to all the users here , that's several thousand  slapped in the face.

Take my almost 15000.00 and every other forum members money who spent on Festools, add that to all the people we know we have gotten into Festool and that is a HUGE amount of money and thousands of people Festool does not care about.

This is a Festool USERS forum not Matthews personal blog  yet they punish the buyers of their tools who actually make cheering about a product our hobby. How dare they!

Nickao

I think everyone who agrees should send a  letter to Footstool asking that they link to the FOG. The reasons should be clearly listed in the letter, yet it should be short, concise and to the point.

Anyone else want to draft the letter we can all sign? I can't stand alone on this.

 

[nickao]

Who could possibly not want our site back at the Festool link.

If I am way off base here tell me.

Oops I forgot, Matthew never banned most of the haters.

 

[jaegerhund]

The nastiness of this is beyond my understanding ----- I don't get all of this and don't really want to ----- but to not have the FOG linked is something that dampens my spirit for all things Festool.  Before purchasing the tools I have, I used this site for extra info and it has interested me in the purchasing of more tools.  I thank Matthew for this site (as well as all the contributors) and hope Festool (and all sides involved) rectifies whatever is going on here.

Justin

 

[nickao]

Okay I got an email saying to cool it. They would not even sign the email and used a fake IP.

Forget it.

For those of you who complain and always say just stick to the tools and only talk about tools, you miss the point that this is a community of like minded people that like Festools, but mostly enjoy woodworking. This is our forum and other than talking tools we are banned together in a woodworking brotherhood. Lets stand together on a non tool issue and not call it unneeded, it is.

Can you see someone or some group is trying to get rid of our group? Not just the FOG or the concept but our group of individuals

I have an email explicitly stating the new forum fully intends to take over FOG's position as the main forum for Festool by December! Great! But that should NOT be at the exclusion of our group.

The first step has already been taken! Lets keep this group together.

Nickao

 

[nickao]

Justin, nastiness?

Who took what link off who's site. Do you just want to let this group die out. I don't, sometimes a group has other issues than just the tools.

It is the people that removed the link and are trying to kill this group that are nasty. MY response is not nasty, it is real and the site link being taken down is evidence of that.

If you so not want to fight to keep this a great Festool group don't.

You do NOT have to read these threads! There are great project threads. I will fight so you can keep reading them!

I am standing up for Matthew they forced him to sell HAS IP address then actually banned his IP from their site! Do you realize how many sales Matthew has generated for them,. Does it mean nothing to you the guy that made this forum is getting slaughtered?

If everyone disagrees after i see the results of the poll I will stop. until them i have Matthews back, this is nasty but the response is justified. If no one is going to help me back the guy who made this and even the other forum possible I made a big mistake on gauging this groups values. I do not think I have, the tool talk is great but i for one am not going to let Matthews treatment by the haters slide by.

 

[jaegerhund]

Justin, nastiness?

Who took what link off who's site. Do you just want to let this group die out. I don't, sometimes a group has other issues than just the tools.

It is the people that removed the link and are trying to kill this group that are nasty. MY response is not nasty, it is real and the site link being taken down is evidence of that.

If you so not want to fight to keep this a great Festool group don't.

you do NOT have to read these threads!

I am standing up for Matthew they actually banned his IP!

If everyone disagrees after i see the results of the poll I will stop.

Nick -- the "nastiness" wasn't directed at you -- but to all that has been going on here lately ------I'm standing by you here , not against you.  Sorry if I did not make that clear.

Justin

 

[nickao]

Understood and I apologize . I am going in the shop I am in a little rampage. Iwill post a picture when I come out.

nickao

 

[jaegerhund]

No problem Nick -----  take it easy.

Justin

 

[sw1211]

Festool appears to be missing the mark on this.  It would be interesting to know how many have made their 1st or subsequent Festool purchases based on info here on the FOG.  A link on their site would help their sales in addition to helping build the FOG member base.  Sounds like a win-win to me.  They're missing out on a free marketing opportunity, doesn't appear to be a good business decision.  Even if it results in only 1 more sale, they're still one more ahead of where they were.  We'll see what happens with this.

I know Festool employees still come here, even if they don't post any more.  Shane sent me a PM the other night when we were discussing tool manuals.  If they still come here why wouldn't they want to provide a link for others?

 

[Bill Wyko]

That's about as ridiculous as A business having an unlisted phone number. They must be making too much money.

 

[Brice Burrell]

You can speculate all you want but I don't think you'll ever know the reason the link isn't on the new site. As everyone has said here of late, they don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

 

[Steve Jones]

Nickao,

The link to the FOG is not on the new website, bet then neither is that other users group site, I think maybe since we've been fighting to be able to mention problems on here maybe they just decided to leave the link off for a while. It's hardly good business practice to direct your potential customers to your main source of criticism.

I'm personally more concerned about apparent cutting off of communication with Matthew, He's getting no response to emails from them. Does this mean that this forum and it's members have lost the respect of Festool USA?

Are we just a bunch of impossible to please whiners?

(well, we are, but if Festool believes that it's another matter)

 

[Matthew Schenker]

The FOG being deleted from the Festool website is a slap in the face to all the users here , that's several thousand  slapped in the face.

...I think everyone who agrees should send a  letter to Footstool asking that they link to the FOG. The reasons should be clearly listed in the letter, yet it should be short, concise and to the point.

I agree.  As the person who created this forum, and has always wanted it to be a service to customers and also good for the company as well, it is disappointing to me that Festool has removed the link to this forum.  I always support doing what the membership wants, so a letter to Festool USA asking that the link be restored makes sense to me.

Festool appears to be missing the mark on this.  It would be interesting to know how many have made their 1st or subsequent Festool purchases based on info here on the FOG.  A link on their site would help their sales in addition to helping build the FOG member base.  Sounds like a win-win to me.  They're missing out on a free marketing opportunity, doesn't appear to be a good business decision.  Even if it results in only 1 more sale, they're still one more ahead of where they were.  We'll see what happens with this.

I don't get it either.  Regarding your question about how many members make purchases based on the FOG, there has been a long-running poll on this exact question.  You can find it by clicking here.

You can speculate all you want but I don't think you'll ever know the reason the link isn't on the new site. As everyone has said here of late, they don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

Say more...What could be going on "behind the scenes" that would explain why a link to the FOG was specifically removed from the Festool USA site?  Until sometime in early July, the FOG was listed on the Festool USA site, and had been for years.  The Festool USA site still links to Woodshop Demos, The Wood Whisperer, etc. (forgive me if I am not mentioning all the links, but I can't access the Festool USA Web site).

Thanks,
Matthew

 

[Brice Burrell]

You can speculate all you want but I don't think you'll ever know the reason the link isn't on the new site. As everyone has said here of late, they don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

Say more...What could be going on "behind the scenes" that would explain why a link to the FOG was specifically removed from the Festool USA site?  Until sometime in early July, the FOG was listed on the Festool USA site, and had been for years.  The Festool USA site still links to Woodshop Demos, The Wood Whisperer, etc. (forgive me if I am not mentioning all the links, but I can't access the Festool USA Web site).

Thanks,
Matthew

I don't know, I'd like you to tell us what is going on. What happened in early July that soured your relationship with Festool? It wasn't that this site was critical of the tools than. The Festool bashing started here a little more recently than early July so it wasn't that.

 

[Matthew Schenker]

I don't know, I'd like you to tell us what is going on. What happened in early July that soured your relationship with Festool? It wasn't that this site was critical of the tools than. The Festool bashing started here a little more recently than early July so it wasn't that.

I don't have anything to tell you about anything that has taken place "behind the scenes" from my perspective.  Since the incidents of last July, my connection with Festool had been building back up again, and I have reported everything about that connection to the forum community.  If there are "behind the scenes" reasons for a change in the company's position, it's beyond my knowledge.

You raised the question of something "behind the scenes."  What made you say this?  What do you think it is?  Why do you assume I would know something about it?

Thanks,
Matthew

 

[Brice Burrell]

I don't know, I'd like you to tell us what is going on. What happened in early July that soured your relationship with Festool? It wasn't that this site was critical of the tools than. The Festool bashing started here a little more recently than early July so it wasn't that.

I don't have anything to tell you about anything that has taken place "behind the scenes" from my perspective.  Since the incidents of last July, my connection with Festool had been building back up again, and I have reported everything about that connection to the forum community.  If there are "behind the scenes" reasons for a change in the company's position, it's beyond my knowledge.

You raised the question of something "behind the scenes."  What made you say this?  What do you think it is?  Why do you assume I would know something about it?
Thanks,
Matthew

Matthew, what are you talking about, FOG doesn't have a link on the Festool site and you (and other members) are speculating you have been banned from gaining access their site, come on, something happened! Since you're saying you don't know why this happened I'll will accept have to that. I won't comment on what I understand happened, it wouldn't be appropriate to post private correspondence in a public forum.

 

[Matthew Schenker]

Matthew, what are you talking about, FOG doesn't have a link on the Festool site and you (and other members) are speculating you have been banned from gaining access their site, come on, something happened! Since you're saying you don't know why this happened I'll will accept have to that. I won't comment on what I understand happened, it wouldn't be appropriate to post private correspondence in a public forum.

From my end, nothing happened that would lead me to believe I would blocked from the Festool USA site.  When I saw Dan Cleremont's post this morning about the new site, it was the first time I had heard about it.  I typed "www.festoolusa.com" in my browser and was surprised when I could not access the site.  Then I posted about it, and here we are.

To be clear, I never said I was banned.  I'm holding out the possibility that this is a technical glitch.  However, as of this posting, I'm still not able to access the site.

You seem to be assuming that I have in fact been banned.  Even further, you suggest that "something happened" to explain it, and you also suggest that I know what this "something" is.  But you won't actually say what's on your mind.  If in fact I have been blocked (and I can't say for sure if that's the case), I have no idea why this would happen.  Again, you are doing this thing where you "sort of" say something, but yet again you don't actually say it.  If you have a theory, why don't you be clear and share it? 

Again, I ask, is anyone else having trouble accessing the Festool USA Web site?

Thanks,
Matthew

 

[nickao]

Oops I may have used the word banned, blocked  may be  better.

I get on the site no problem.

To me it is a waste for anyone to try and ban an IP. Anyone can get a different IP or  rotating IP very easily and to the more advanced there are loads of ways to totally eliminate any trace of the user.

With Matthews computer knowledge  I would think blocking his IP is a message, more than thinking they can keep him from accessing, of course he knows how to use an alternate IP, so why block  his original IP?

 

[nickao]

Well if its true it is NOT unethical.

If it is conjecture I agree it is not the best thing to do, maybe not ethical, but it is far from illegal.

There is no last name and unless everyone here knew this Sean and it directly hurt his work standing and can be proven to have hurt him it is not slanderous or libelous.

I don't know Brice, your use of the word serious is used kind of loosely here. I can list serious things. My son having one bad kidney and having 7 operations is serious, my other son having convulsions because of an undiagnosed brain problem after 3 years of tests is serious, this is not serious. It may be wrong , but serious?

Nothing we bicker about on this site has ever been serious. Just us girls whining and complaining about tools, forums, web sites, etc is not ever serious, actually quite humorous to some and frustrating to others, but serious?.

Nickao

 

[peter halle]

If you want this site linked, I suggest you let Festool USA know.  Send them an email.  I doubt that addressing it here will have any results.  Go to the source.

Peter