The new version of systainers looks pretty awesome!

[Coen]

Insane.... that's nearly double. If that is gonna trickly down to every Festool tool in Systainer I think it's the biggest boost to L-boxx'es in a long time...

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

It is indeed insane asking these prices but, what’s probably more insane is, many people pay the prices.
As much as I like Systainers, all said and done, they’re plastic cases, the price doesn’t reflect this though.
I know they don’t have T locs but, the Makita equivalent are around a thirds of the price of Festool?

 

[demographic]

Insane.... that's nearly double. If that is gonna trickly down to every Festool tool in Systainer I think it's the biggest boost to L-boxx'es in a long time...

I tried L-box's a while ago, good size and made of stronger plastic than Systainers.
Problem is the way they join together is bleedin orrible. You can't put one on top of another without it locking so a few inside my toolsafe weree a nightmare. I had to leave space either side of them to unlock them.
In the end I gave them away and was glad to be rid of them.

I wouldn't complain if systainers were glass reenforced and a bit thicker though.

 

[Bob D.]

SYS1 height is not the same as the saw bed height on the original Kapex. 

But with the feet of the systainer (total of 112mm) close enough to the 110mm of the Kapex when the systainer is sitting 2+m away from it.

"close enough", since when has Festool been about close enough? That's the other guys motto.

 

[Gregor]

SYS1 height is not the same as the saw bed height on the original Kapex. 

But with the feet of the systainer (total of 112mm) close enough to the 110mm of the Kapex when the systainer is sitting 2+m away from it.

"close enough", since when has Festool been about close enough? That's the other guys motto.

You have a point.

 

[xedos]

Maybe they researched and discovered only a small percentage of customers relied on the matching height combinations.

I seriously doubt it.  At least not the general, end using customer. 

Did anyone here get asked about this?  How about the on the instagram or facebook outlets ?

 

[Spandex]

I’m not sure people on here are that representative. Forums tend to be populated by the serious fans who are into every detail, but most people buying these tools just see them as exactly that - a tool. They have tools from loads of different brands and don’t turn up on site with everything stacked in systainers.

 

[Bob D.]

Well for me one of the big advantages of the Systainer was it was modular. If that is out the window then I don't know what I'll do, look for tools without Systainers, save some money I guess, and buy used T-locs. I am having trouble finding value in almost all the changes the Sys³ has brought about.

I do like the integrated handle on the front of the Sys³ though. I bought one of the add-on front handles and it does hang out the front as Seth mentioned. I ended taking it off as I kept hitting it with my leg when it was stored on the shelf under the bench.

It seems that the slot on each side where you could place a label is gone. So if your boxes are stuffed in a slot somewhere and you can only see the side it will be difficult to know what's in which Systainer. Yes, there are other ways to label the Systainer but that was professional looking and easy to change out if the contents changed.

The Systainer is probably the biggest markup item in a tool kit I'd bet. When you boil it down there's what like $2 worth of plastic and manufacturing in the thing. Why upset the apple cart and kill that golden goose... I don't get it. Yes, not many if any will choose not buy Festool because of the change in Systainers. And anyone new to Festool who is not vested in the old style Systainer will care nor feel the pain. Only those who have been there for years will be affected.

I guess the same happened when the T-loc came into being. My first Festool (RO125) was in the old classic style Systainer, everything after that has been T-loc and I now have over a dozen. Storage in my shop is sized around them, and the new sizes will not mix well with the old when it comes to my shelf spacing.

 

[thudchkr]

Insane.... that's nearly double. If that is gonna trickly down to every Festool tool in Systainer I think it's the biggest boost to L-boxx'es in a long time...

I tried L-box's a while ago, good size and made of stronger plastic than Systainers.
Problem is the way they join together is bleedin orrible. You can't put one on top of another without it locking so a few inside my toolsafe weree a nightmare. I had to leave space either side of them to unlock them.
In the end I gave them away and was glad to be rid of them.

When I got my L-BOXXs they came with installed clips that would keep them from locking to each other.  Still have a bunch of them as I prefer to be able to  connect them.  Problem, as you say, is they tend to connect when placed atop each other.  Especially when you'd prefer they didn't.

I like the latches on the L-BOXX better than those on the classic systainer, but prefer the T-Loc over the L-BOXX latch.  Currently am using Systainers, both classic and T-Loc, L-BOXXs as well as a few boxes from Milwaukee and Dewalt.  I think they all have their own little area of excellence where that specific box is best for the task.

 

[Coen]

I doubt though the relative price increase is that much. I think those prices are just early  adaopter prices...

A Systainer is definitely way more than $2 to produce

 

[xedos]

I’m not sure people on here are that representative. Forums tend to be populated by the serious fans who are into every detail, but most people buying these tools just see them as exactly that - a tool. They have tools from loads of different brands and don’t turn up on site with everything stacked in systainers.

If this group isn't representative ,  then why does Festool keep sending tools for Peter to "review" ?

And , if you were in charge of a product and needed to beta test it , why wouldn't you send it to serious users who would pour over every detail ? 

Even the faithful around here that do site work for a living have and use other brands of tools.  That's exactly who I'd want putting a product though its paces before launch. 

 

[Spandex]

If this group isn't representative ,  then why does Festool keep sending tools for Peter to "review" ?

Because they want someone experienced and trusted to review their products? Not sure how that’s related really... reviewers don’t have to be representative of the ‘typical buyer’, otherwise they’d just ask the first person who bought it to do the review, right?

And , if you were in charge of a product and needed to beta test it , why wouldn't you send it to serious users who would pour over every detail ? 

I’ve managed plenty of product releases and whilst user testing can be very useful, it’s only practical at the end of the development - i.e when you have an actual product - and want to find defects. It’s not useful for the design stages.

Even the faithful around here that do site work for a living have and use other brands of tools.  That's exactly who I'd want putting a product though its paces before launch.

Before launch, possibly... before you designed it, unlikely.

 

[RC]

I wonder am I the only one to notice, but it looks like the smallest Systainer3 M 112 does not have the T-loc clip at the bottom neither the Organizer.

This would mean that one would need to clip these as the bottom most systainers in a stack if they only have the T-loc clasp on them to attach to a systainer above them and only one of them per stack if I'm not missing something in the pictures?

I atleast have all my fasteners in SYS-1's with boxes equivalent to the Organizer and would easily have more than one of that size to stack up when doing something.

 

[Spandex]

I was assuming the clip is hidden behind the handle (the handle is lower on these sizes by necessity).

If so, I suspect is will be slightly less convenient un-latching these sizes because a third of the T-lock latch will be inaccessible, unless you lift the handle. Which is probably why they only did it on the smaller sizes where they had no choice, but moved the handle up on the larger sizes.

This picture backs that up... the clip is visible under the handle:

 

[edwarmr]

This is how it looks connected. I’m not digging it with the handle sticking out. Wish they could have come up with another solution.

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[Spandex]

Yeah, that is pretty clunky. Not sure what else the solution could be other than not have handles on the smaller boxes, but that looks awful.

 

[Gregor]

... but that looks awful.

Not only looking awful, it also makes stacking them densly into a corner (be it in the shop or a normal van) more problematic, as the prior even front is lost.

They might be a great idea when exclusively used in the rack system, but for joe normals... *meh*

 

[Bob D.]

If you're only one deep on your storage no a big deal, but for me my Systainers are two deep and will not fir with the handles on the Sys³

 

[jeh]

If this group isn't representative ,  then why does Festool keep sending tools for Peter to "review" ?

Because they want someone experienced and trusted to review their products? Not sure how that’s related really... reviewers don’t have to be representative of the ‘typical buyer’, otherwise they’d just ask the first person who bought it to do the review, right?

And , if you were in charge of a product and needed to beta test it , why wouldn't you send it to serious users who would pour over every detail ? 

I’ve managed plenty of product releases and whilst user testing can be very useful, it’s only practical at the end of the development - i.e when you have an actual product - and want to find defects. It’s not useful for the design stages.

Even the faithful around here that do site work for a living have and use other brands of tools.  That's exactly who I'd want putting a product though its paces before launch.

Before launch, possibly... before you designed it, unlikely.

Consumers do not do well with choices. Same holds true for design options. It is easier for everyone to sell one and maybe two versions of a product. The last thing anyone wants to deal with is design by committee.

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

I think Tanos must of banged their head, if it ain’t broke.......................