Thinking about selling Kreg router table w/lift & PC7518

[Runhard]

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I have a barely used Kreg router table, kreg router lift, dual locking casters, multipurpose router table switch, featherboards, table stop, and Porter Cable 7518 that I'm thinking about selling for around $1000. I have over $1300 in it. If I can sell it I will buy a CMS. Do you guys think this is a reasonable price? I know shipping would be difficult but I do have all the original boxes. Has anyone else done the same thing with success?

Thanks,

Daniel
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[TomGadwa1]

I would keep the table and PC and buy a Jess Em Masterlift II and their MasterFence II. I did and it is a great setup that way. I did not really like the way the Kreg lift worked with that stupid spring lifting thing. Too hard to get it in the ball park. Then ot lock the thing an allen wrench was needed as well. On the Jess Em lift the crank handle for the lift aslo actuates the locking cam for the lift. This lift is smooth as butter. So before you do anything rash you might consider doing this as it will most likely be a more economical approach and you would wind up with a very sweet router table setup. Just my opinion!

 

[PeterK]

Well I wouldn't do it myself. Do you have a specific need for the CMS in that it offers some function you currently don't have? Do your require the portability? That is the only reason I would consider the CMS.
Your existing router is basically the industry reference standard for router table usage. A Festool router if permanently installed in the CMS looses most of it's value as you are not using all the great features it comes with.
The Kreg leg set is extremely heavy duty and like I did, you can repurpose it for some other heavy load required table.

 

[Runhard]

Well I wouldn't do it myself. Do you have a specific need for the CMS in that it offers some function you currently don't have? Do your require the portability? That is the only reason I would consider the CMS.
Your existing router is basically the industry reference standard for router table usage. A Festool router if permanently installed in the CMS looses most of it's value as you are not using all the great features it comes with.
The Kreg leg set is extremely heavy duty and like I did, you can repurpose it for some other heavy load required table.

I do not require portability. I would like to have better dust collection with the Kreg, I know that I could build an enclosure for the under side of the table. I was thinking about getting the CMS-VL MFT/3 Router Table and also the UG side extensions that could be used with the CMS, MFT and Kapex. I will think it over for a while before I make my final decision and try to get feedback from those who have sold their other router tables and went with the CMS. If other modules were available I would probably already have one.

 

[lambeater]

Had exactly same setup, ended up parting with it for $800 and purchased the CMS. Have no regrets.

thx
Lambeater

 

[Runhard]

Had exactly same setup, ended up parting with it for $800 and purchased the CMS. Have no regrets.

thx
Lambeater

Did you get the GE or VL?

 

[sgryd]

To me, the hunt for the perfect router table probably never ends.
- The Kreg table was my first *real* router table (not counting temporary solutions)
- I added a Woodpecker PRLV2 Sidewinder router lift
- Not happy with the Kreg fence I bought an Incra positioner and fitted the router plate to one of my MFT3
- Not happy with the precision of the sidewinder I converted to an ordinary PRLV2
- Not Happy with PRLV2 I screwed my OF2200 to the PRLV2 plate
- Not happy with the MFT3 (not sturdy enough) I'm now building a new table
- The OF2200 is a dream in the table, booth in power and dust collection
- The Incra is the fence of my dreams. Can't imagine another fence.
- Yesterday I recieved the screw jack I ordered for my DIY router lift.

I have a feeling that this might be it for me. It's looking very promising.

But.. You say that you haven't used your Kreg table. Why is that? Are you sure you will use the CMS? If you haven't used your Kreg table, then how do you know what you need? I'm not impressed with the fence on the CMS. I tend to always need some amount of micro adjustment. The CMS doesn't have any micro adjustment.

//Michael

 

[Kev]

Had exactly same setup, ended up parting with it for $800 and purchased the CMS. Have no regrets.

thx
Lambeater

Did you get the GE or VL?

Can't wait to see the impact of the other CMS modules hitting the NA market ... my gut tells me a GE, VL and MFT/3 set will be common ... sometimes it'll be nice to have the MFT/3 connected - sometimes not.

I'm toying with the idea of setting up an INCRA fence that can offer a deep setback mounted on the MFT/3 (I've stalled on the idea because I have an older INCRA fence I've never used, but I think I'd like to do it with the new fence).

 

[Runhard]

To me, the hunt for the perfect router table probably never ends.
- The Kreg table was my first *real* router table (not counting temporary solutions)
- I added a Woodpecker PRLV2 Sidewinder router lift
- Not happy with the Kreg fence I bought an Incra positioner and fitted the router plate to one of my MFT3
- Not happy with the precision of the sidewinder I converted to an ordinary PRLV2
- Not Happy with PRLV2 I screwed my OF2200 to the PRLV2 plate
- Not happy with the MFT3 (not sturdy enough) I'm now building a new table
- The OF2200 is a dream in the table, booth in power and dust collection
- The Incra is the fence of my dreams. Can't imagine another fence.
- Yesterday I recieved the screw jack I ordered for my DIY router lift.

I have a feeling that this might be it for me. It's looking very promising.

But.. You say that you haven't used your Kreg table. Why is that? Are you sure you will use the CMS? If you haven't used your Kreg table, then how do you know what you need? I'm not impressed with the fence on the CMS. I tend to always need some amount of micro adjustment. The CMS doesn't have any micro adjustment.

//Michael

Hi Michael,

I did not say that I haven't used the kreg, I said that it's barely used. I used it to build 5 storm windows. I'm still in the process of building my shop and I hopefully have another 30+ years of woodworking ahead of me, so I should be using a router table sometime in the near future.

Daniel

 

[sgryd]

I'm sorry I misunderstood.
But I'm still unsure of what you need. I'd understand the choice for CMS if you'd need portability. Do you intend to fit an OF1400 of OF2200 permanently in the CMS? If that's the case you might consider just buying the Festool lift screw and attaching it to the Kreg table.

Dust collection in router tables are hard (IMO).
With a good fence you get great dust collection while edge routing.
But when you route a dado the fence dust collection won't collect any dust. In that case you need under the table collection. But this doesn't work very well if you choose a tight inlay ring (I don't know the name of this thing). I.e. if you have a snug fit around the bit there will be poor dust collection from below.

The OF2200 has a big dust schrud and this really shines in under-the-table collection. If I have a big enough work piece I often choose a slightly big inlay ring to allow for good dust collection from below.

I don't think the 1400 would have any usable dust collection under the table as it doesn't have a schrud. Does the CMS have any ad-on for collecting dust below the table with an OF1400?

I used a "Dust Router" schrud for my Kreg table. Worked great in terms of dust collection, but it was a little awkvard to change bits.

 

[Runhard]

I'm sorry I misunderstood.
But I'm still unsure of what you need. I'd understand the choice for CMS if you'd need portability. Do you intend to fit an OF1400 of OF2200 permanently in the CMS? If that's the case you might consider just buying the Festool lift screw and attaching it to the Kreg table.

Dust collection in router tables are hard (IMO).
With a good fence you get great dust collection while edge routing.
But when you route a dado the fence dust collection won't collect any dust. In that case you need under the table collection. But this doesn't work very well if you choose a tight inlay ring (I don't know the name of this thing). I.e. if you have a snug fit around the bit there will be poor dust collection from below.

The OF2200 has a big dust schrud and this really shines in under-the-table collection. If I have a big enough work piece I often choose a slightly big inlay ring to allow for good dust collection from below.

I don't think the 1400 would have any usable dust collection under the table as it doesn't have a schrud. Does the CMS have any ad-on for collecting dust below the table with an OF1400?

I used a "Dust Router" schrud for my Kreg table. Worked great in terms of dust collection, but it was a little awkvard to change bits.

I just want a nice router table that I will enjoy using and that has good dust collection. I would love to have an OF2200 in a table! I suppose there is no perfect solution. Maybe I should just buy an OF2200 and keep my kreg setup...

 

[sgryd]

Many here will argue that it is a waste to put an OF2200 in a table. It really is an expensive solution. I got my 2200 at 30% off as a demo sample. It was the machine of my dreams, but it ended up sitting in its' systainer while I used the 1400. The 2200 is too heavy for me.

Having the 2200 in the table truly is luxurious. I wouldn't by the machine with the intention to dedicate it to the table. This is just the way things went. I almost get a little ashamed when I say I have an OF2200 in a table, but I looove it  [embarassed]

 

[dicktill]

... I did not really like the way the Kreg lift worked with that stupid spring lifting thing. Too hard to get it in the ball park. Then ot lock the thing an allen wrench was needed as well. ...

To me, the hunt for the perfect router table probably never ends.
... - Not Happy with PRLV2 I screwed my OF2200 to the PRLV2 plate ...

Hmm. Isn't the Kreg lift essentially a Woodpecker PRLV2? So neither of you guys liked them. Darn, I recently ordered an Incra table with their version of the PRLV2 lift (only difference is the MagnaLOCK "zero-clearance" rings). I ordered the set from Incra because I liked their WonderFence better than Woodpecker's SuperFence, and I liked their stand better (looks sturdier and the legs are extrusions that you can just slide 1/2" MDF into to make a cabinet). I have a PC7518 to put in it. Anyway, the table is on backorder. Should I cancel? ???

Thanks, Dick

 

[sgryd]

I actually have the Incra version as well. I have had a number of problems with it. Incra has stood up with good support. According to them my lift doesn't behave as it should, but we haven't found any solution. I have kind of given up on it.

The magna lock system is fantastic. That's why I ordered a blank Incra plate with magna lock for my OF2200.

Originally I choose the PRLV2 over the Mast-R lift because of the fast bit changing. If I'd do it again I'd go for the Mast-R lift. I have found that I'm a sucker for real accuracy. PRLV2 is up to the accuracy, but it's not as smooth as I'd like it.

 

[tbellemare]

I don't think the 1400 would have any usable dust collection under the table as it doesn't have a schrud. Does the CMS have any ad-on for collecting dust below the table with an OF1400?

I don't understand this query, Michael?

The 1400 has the same (or better) dust collection under the CMS as it has handheld.

When upside down, the regular dust collection is suction and gravity based. Additionally, there is the above table dust collection and it's quite effective.

The set up is to use the router's normal dust collection below the table and the table's collection above the table using a "Y" connector and two hoses.

Tom

 

[TomGadwa1]

I'm sorry I misunderstood.
But I'm still unsure of what you need. I'd understand the choice for CMS if you'd need portability. Do you intend to fit an OF1400 of OF2200 permanently in the CMS? If that's the case you might consider just buying the Festool lift screw and attaching it to the Kreg table.

Dust collection in router tables are hard (IMO).
With a good fence you get great dust collection while edge routing.
But when you route a dado the fence dust collection won't collect any dust. In that case you need under the table collection. But this doesn't work very well if you choose a tight inlay ring (I don't know the name of this thing). I.e. if you have a snug fit around the bit there will be poor dust collection from below.

The OF2200 has a big dust schrud and this really shines in under-the-table collection. If I have a big enough work piece I often choose a slightly big inlay ring to allow for good dust collection from below.

I don't think the 1400 would have any usable dust collection under the table as it doesn't have a schrud. Does the CMS have any ad-on for collecting dust below the table with an OF1400?

I used a "Dust Router" schrud for my Kreg table. Worked great in terms of dust collection, but it was a little awkvard to change bits.

I just want a nice router table that I will enjoy using and that has good dust collection. I would love to have an OF2200 in a table! I suppose there is no perfect solution. Maybe I should just buy an OF2200 and keep my kreg setup...

Before I enclosed the top of my Kreg table I always had a mess no matter what type of routing was performed. So I decided to seal the top area of my table. I made some sides and back out of some 3/4 inch plywood scraps that I had laying around. I fitted them within a millimeter for a good seal. I then made a drop down door so I could access the router motor to change speed settings when needed. On the back of the enclosure I fitted a four inch dust adaptor for my dust collection hose. This setup does a great job of collecting dust from my 7518 PC router motor. Actually better than my router jacket setup on my JessEm table. Below the dust collection enclosure is a storage area for feather boards setup bars router wrenches and other miscellaneous router accessories. Further down I have fabricated a deep drawer which I use to store my bandsaw blades which come in an oversized ZipLock bag. I figure that there is no wasted space on this KREG table and I really need to watch my space use as I have only a two car garage for my shop right now.
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My Deluxe KREG Router Table.
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Front door dropped down for access to router speed adjustment.
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My JessEm Mastrlift II.
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My JessEm MitreSlide and Masterfence II.
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Right Side of the Masterfence. Nice thing about the Masterfence is that it can be set perpendicular to the routertable surface and will remain so even when it is tightened down. Something that the original Kreg fence did not do properly.
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Middle storage area with the door lowered to access the router accessories.
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Big Bottom drawer for stowing my bandsaw blades and some feather boards.
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Drawer being closed. I used some blue motion slides and they are really nice!
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Back of table showing enclosure back and dust port and power cord exit.
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Dust port on the MasterFence II.
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Coping clamp I made to cope rails on cabinet doors. This in conjunction with the MitreSlide makes for very safe and accurate coping of the rail ends.

So in conclusion I am quite pleased with my KREG router table after I did a couple of enhancements. The stand is the best one out there. It is made of the best steel and is painted very nicely. The castors are also of very high quality. This is why I decided to trick this baby out.

 

[sgryd]

I don't understand this query, Michael?

Tom, you are absolutely right in not understanding the rubbish I'm writing.  [embarassed]
Of course the 1400 has a dust shroud. A good one, that is. (I'm also better at spelling shroud now =)

But when I thought about putting my 1400 in the table I thought the shroud would be in the way every time I'd change bit. I suppose I forgot the existence of the shroud because of this. The 2200 has a retracting shroud that seems to be made with a router table in mind. It doesn't interfere with whatever size bits you use.

That's a nice coping sled you got there. Seems very fast and secure to operate.

//Michael

 

[lambeater]

Had exactly same setup, ended up parting with it for $800 and purchased the CMS. Have no regrets.

thx
Lambeater

Did you get the GE or VL?

Got the GE set

thx
Lambeater

 

[tbellemare]

I don't understand this query, Michael?

Tom, you are absolutely right in not understanding the rubbish I'm writing.  [embarassed]
Of course the 1400 has a dust shroud. A good one, that is. (I'm also better at spelling shroud now =)

But when I thought about putting my 1400 in the table I thought the shroud would be in the way every time I'd change bit. I suppose I forgot the existence of the shroud because of this. The 2200 has a retracting shroud that seems to be made with a router table in mind. It doesn't interfere with whatever size bits you use.

That's a nice coping sled you got there. Seems very fast and secure to operate.

//Michael

I feel like this is deviating from the thread but I think it should be noted... Maybe moved?

With the 1400 in the table, I change bits from above so the dust shroud on the router isn't an issue like it normally can be when the router is completely "not plunged".

The only oddity is that the normal position of the power switch is locked "on". To changes a bit from above requires reaching under for the spindle ratcheting stop. It is disabled with the router power switch in the locked on position. So, to change a bit, first unlock the power switch.

I see you've improved your router table considerably since I last saw it, Tom!

Tom

 

[sgryd]

Daniel, I'm sorry for taking your thread somewhat OT. Hopefully you have got some information out of the OT parts anyway.
How did it go? Decided on the CMS?

Tom.. "improved"?. When did you see my router table?
With the OF1400 dust shroud you can't lower a big bit down under the table, can you? I often just lower everything and put a cap on (a blank MagnaLock plate) so I can use the surface as a work table.