Thoughts on Woodpecker DF 50 Offset Base System?

[gstuartw]

Woodpeckers newest OneTIME Tool, the DF 50 Offset Base System…

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$400 for the whole system, $240 for the base alone.

http://www.woodpeck.com/ottdf500obs.html

 

[amt]

I'll stick with Seneca.  I don't see the need for the ruler/stops.  With some practice, aligning the domino to a pencil line is pretty easy and accurate.

 

[deepcreek]

I sometimes think Woodpeckers offers solutions in search of a problem.

I own a number of their tools but will pass on this one.

 

[ElCabong]

I'll stick with Seneca.  I don't see the need for the ruler/stops.  With some practice, aligning the domino to a pencil line is pretty easy and accurate.

Ditto. At that price, its suited for high production however anything that Woodpecker makes looks pretty sweet but I'll stick to my Domiplate and pencil marks!

 

[CarolinaNomad]

Yeah, Agreed.  But it looks so pretty!

 

[Walk On Wood]

With some practice, aligning the domino to a pencil line is pretty easy and accurate.

Very true, however there would be no need to spend the time measuring/marking pencil lines or aligning to them.  I can this this being great for production shops, but I will most likely pass

 

[waho6o9]

Cumbersome, however the base seems practical.

 

[Wooden Skye]

Domiplate was my first impression, and I will stick with that.  Do they look sharp, yes.  I often think that sometimes Woodpeckers makes their accessories for certain Festool items and then assigns a high price.

 

[jeep jake]

whats your guys thought on the woodpecker depth sleeve

 

[semenza]

whats your guys thought on the woodpecker depth sleeve

Try this thread http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/new-woodpeckers-df500-mortise-depth-sleeves/

Seth

 

[wow]

It does seem like they added the 'Festool Tax' onto the price, doesn't it?

I think they are WAY out of line on pricing - like DOUBLE what it should be. It makes sense at around $99 (or maybe $149 for the base WITH systainer), and $199 to $249 for the complete kit WITH systainer.

And whats the deal with the Anthracite Systainer? I really don't like those dark systainers. More like I *hate* 'em. The first thing I'd have to do if I got one of these is transfer it to a GREY Systainer...which, of course, is an ADDITIONAL cost.

I'll be passing too.

I wonder if they'll get enough units purchased to actually do a run? Anybody know if they've ever offered a 'one-time' product that they didn't actually build due to lack of sales?

 

[williaty]

I have mixed feelings on it.

First, the $400 for the complete set is awfully close to the cost of the Domino itself. It'd take a while to get that value back in work done. On the other hand, I've worked with small companies making limited-run products before and the cost to have a handful of something machined, coated, and engraved is absolutely absurd. For one part, I got a quote back that the first 10 would cost something like $1100 but I could up the order to 1000 units for just $35 more. So some of this could be an explicit Festool tax but some of it could be targeting a product to the already-tiny Domino-owners market.

Second, I really like using my RTS Engineering SCG not really as a centering device but to plunge mortises a predictable and balanced distance from the edge of things. However, I often run into a limitation where I can't set the SCG as wide as I'd like to. The WP product looks like it would solve that problem. Would it solve $400 worth of problem, though?

Boy, I don't know...

 

[joraft]

... I wonder if they'll get enough units purchased to actually do a run? Anybody know if they've ever offered a 'one-time' product that they didn't actually build due to lack of sales?

Good questions. I don't know if they will, or ever have scrapped a one-time project for lack of orders.

If this thread is any measure, this product is not being received very well. Although, it could be that those who have decided to order are reluctant to admit it after reading through the comments.  [smile]

 

[grbmds]

Only 14 posts is not a decisive response. It looks as if they were trying to combine the various available accessories into one unit, plus add some capability. It does seem excessive, but what would the total of the combined accessories it replaces be? Why do we all buy Festools to begin with when they cost too much - because we like cool things, because we need to use accurate tools, because we appreciate high quality, because we actually use the tools on a regular basis (or because we thing we will). I don't know whether it's a good purchase or not. It depends on what you do with your Domino (or one of the other reasons), just like whether buying a Festool depends on what you will use it for to some degree (or one of the other reasons).

 

[rljatl]

Only 14 posts is not a decisive response. It looks as if they were trying to combine the various available accessories into one unit, plus add some capability. It does seem excessive, but what would the total of the combined accessories it replaces be? Why do we all buy Festools to begin with when they cost too much - because we like cool things, because we need to use accurate tools, because we appreciate high quality, because we actually use the tools on a regular basis (or because we thing we will). I don't know whether it's a good purchase or not. It depends on what you do with your Domino (or one of the other reasons), just like whether buying a Festool depends on what you will use it for to some degree (or one of the other reasons).

Did you ever get a response from Woodpecker's regarding alignment/centering of the curser line with the center line of jig?

 

[grbmds]

Only 14 posts is not a decisive response. It looks as if they were trying to combine the various available accessories into one unit, plus add some capability. It does seem excessive, but what would the total of the combined accessories it replaces be? Why do we all buy Festools to begin with when they cost too much - because we like cool things, because we need to use accurate tools, because we appreciate high quality, because we actually use the tools on a regular basis (or because we thing we will). I don't know whether it's a good purchase or not. It depends on what you do with your Domino (or one of the other reasons), just like whether buying a Festool depends on what you will use it for to some degree (or one of the other reasons).

Did you ever get a response from Woodpecker's regarding alignment/centering of the curser line with the center line of jig?

I didn't. I sent an email to their general mailbox. Is there a support email address that might be better for an answer?

 

[joraft]

Why do we all buy Festools to begin with when they cost too much - because we like cool things, because we need to use accurate tools, because we appreciate high quality, because we actually use the tools on a regular basis (or because we think we will).

I'll admit to all of the above.  Tools/machines have always been my weak spot.[smile]

 

[rljatl]

Only 14 posts is not a decisive response. It looks as if they were trying to combine the various available accessories into one unit, plus add some capability. It does seem excessive, but what would the total of the combined accessories it replaces be? Why do we all buy Festools to begin with when they cost too much - because we like cool things, because we need to use accurate tools, because we appreciate high quality, because we actually use the tools on a regular basis (or because we thing we will). I don't know whether it's a good purchase or not. It depends on what you do with your Domino (or one of the other reasons), just like whether buying a Festool depends on what you will use it for to some degree (or one of the other reasons).

Did you ever get a response from Woodpecker's regarding alignment/centering of the curser line with the center line of jig?

I didn't. I sent an email to their general mailbox. Is there a support email address that might be better for an answer?

Try this one:  richardhummel@woodpeck.com

 

[teocaf]

It's a good discussion that ultimately will only help develop a better product either by woodpeckers or by some other co.  I would love to see an evolution of this product where you don't have to screw in the different spacers but have a more fluid variable adjustment.  Tool collectors aside, in a working shop, it is easier, faster and cheaper to cut precise spacers out of hardwood or plastic than to deal with screwing and unscrewing some machined spacer that has limited uses based on some nominal thickness standards.  Perhaps an incra type screw?  Also the flip down stops and the extrusion could be more streamlined and less bulky given that it's something that attaches to a the hand held tool. 

 

[bermuda]

For me this looks cumbersome to set up and use.  I'm going from one domino
application to another and wouldn't want to be bothered. Also I'm so use to using
the domiplate that balance would feel off.  I don't know of a system like this that
would attach to a domiplate though.