Tradesman Cleaning kit question

[AlexThePalex]

Look at the lids in that test .....

Yes, they flex.  Remember that 53 lbs (24.09 kilos) bouncing and everything held.  

I meant more the difference between the 2.

 

[festooldude]

t-loc flexin at the front/sides.. classic sys flexin in the middle.. potato, potaato..

 

[SteveC]

  [popcorn] [thumbs up][thanks]

 

[jmbfestool]

t-loc flexin at the front/sides.. classic sys flexin in the middle.. potato, potaato..

Yes but the Flex is FAR FAR less with the classic in the middle than it is with the T-loc on the size! Because the 4 points on the Classic systainers are closer to the handle than the 3 points on the T lock so AND the handle points are on the OUT side of the triangle if they where inline with the 3 points then their would be far less flexing.

Also like mentioned above the green latches on the CT will hold because they will never be holding any more weight than the CT its self.    Different story with the handle though because a larger systainer with heavier stuff inside does add including the CT on the handle thats why I said I have used my large systainer many of times with all the heavy nails guns inside and had no problem with the handle and even then the classic flexes less than Brice's T-loc demo bouncing it in the air and thats only a small light T-loc so it only has the weight of the CT

JMB

 

[Ken Nagrod]

The green latches on the CT will be subjected to more loading stress the more weight is added above the CT in systainers while lifting the whole mass.  The weight of the CT itself is not the only factor.

 

[festooldude]

The green latches on the CT will be subjected to more loading stress the more weight is added above the CT in systainers while lifting the whole mass.  The weight of the CT itself is not the only factor.

not true,

JMB is right..

just general physics..

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

I think this is right, I believe it is.

I was told the handle will support up to 400 pounds.

I was told the latches will give out at 200 pounds.

I am not going to carry 200 pounds.

My cleaning kit is pretty much permanently stored on my 22.

You can carry the vac by the tradesman set no problem.

I wouldn't suggest carrying it like that if you have to go up more then a few steps though.

 

[Holzhacker]

I have a Sys 1 with the bottom cut out attached to the top of the hose garage on my 22. This allows me to keep the cleaning kit handles, rags, sponges, etc in a sort of permanent place readily available. Whether the bag is empty or full I've carried the whole thing by the Sys handle repeatedly, no problems.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

I meant it is kind of awkward carrying the CT with a sys 4 on top up a couple flights of stairs.  You really have to lift it pretty high.

 

[AlexThePalex]

t-loc flexin at the front/sides.. classic sys flexin in the middle.. potato, potaato..

It's like 5 mm for the classic and 35 mm for the T-loc. In your anology that's more like ... potato, potaaaaaaato....

People can keep on telling me the lid can hold the weight, but for me, seeing such flex in a systainer lid makes the whole look and feel flimsy. An empty systainer starts at a cost of 53 euro making it the most expensive type of plastic box I can think of, so you'd better get some quality.

The green latches on the CT will be subjected to more loading stress the more weight is added above the CT in systainers while lifting the whole mass.  The weight of the CT itself is not the only factor.

Indeed not true. The weigth of the CT itself is the only factor because that's all the weight the latches have to hold.

But I'm pretty sure the latches were not intended to hold the weight of the CT while it's been carried around, they're only there to hold a systainer in place while the CT properly rests on the floor.
 

 

[Ken Nagrod]

When you are pulling up on a mounted systainer, you are also pulling up on the CT's latches.  That's why I'm saying it's not just weight that the latches have to deal with, but also the lifting force, especially the instantaneous force when you first lift all of it and the more weight you have to lift or mass, the greater the force required when you first pull up on the whole thing. Nobody lifts like a robot, smooth and constant from start to finish.

 

[Nigel]

    It's strange everyone saying the latches only have to hold the weight of the ct .

There is a huge difference between a full bag and an empty one.In my case it's 36 litres!I never give it second thought when empty but a packed full ctl 36 is a different story. Those little green tabs are deceptively strong.

 

[festooldude]

t-loc flexin at the front/sides.. classic sys flexin in the middle.. potato, potaato..

It's like 5 mm for the classic and 35 mm for the T-loc. In your anology that's more like ... potato, potaaaaaaato....

People can keep on telling me the lid can hold the weight, but for me, seeing such flex in a systainer lid makes the whole look and feel flimsy. An empty systainer starts at a cost of 53 euro making it the most expensive type of plastic box I can think of, so you'd better get some quality.

It's more like 10 mm for the classic and 20 mm for the T-loc..
skycrapers of like 300 mtrs also sway back and forward about 2,5 to 3 mtrs a the top..  it's called flexabilaty, so i doesn't break..

    It's strange everyone saying the latches only have to hold the weight of the ct .

There is a huge difference between a full bag and an empty one.In my case it's 36 litres!I never give it second thought when empty but a packed full ctl 36 is a different story. Those little green tabs are deceptively strong.

true!!!!

 

[jmbfestool]

When you are pulling up on a mounted systainer, you are also pulling up on the CT's latches.  That's why I'm saying it's not just weight that the latches have to deal with, but also the lifting force, especially the instantaneous force when you first lift all of it and the more weight you have to lift or mass, the greater the force required when you first pull up on the whole thing. Nobody lifts like a robot, smooth and constant from start to finish.

I dont think that is true it just depends on the person!  Like if something is light I still often pull it up very quickly but it its heavy ill do it slower as I do not want to do my back in so in my case their would be more force with the lighter systainers so I dont think your theory is correct.  

Even if I did not care about my back if I lifted my CT up quickly with a light systainer or a heavy systainer at the same pulling force their would be no increase in force on the latches.  So you just going by on how people would lift something due to its weight

   It's strange everyone saying the latches only have to hold the weight of the ct .

There is a huge difference between a full bag and an empty one.In my case it's 36 litres!I never give it second thought when empty but a packed full ctl 36 is a different story. Those little green tabs are deceptively strong.

Yeah thats obvious. Cus any weight below the latched ie CT but also whats inside the CT will put more strain on the green latched on the CT