TS 55 EQ Plunge Cut Circular Saw With 55" Guide

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Hello,

Is the 55" guide sold with the TS 55 EQ Plunge Cut Circular Saw?  If so, is it sold discounted because it is a part of the kit or the price of the guide with the saw is $94.50.

If the saw is sold without the 55" guide how much is the saw?

Thanks,

Meezo
 
The saw is sold together with the 55" guide rail. It is not sold separately (but unless you have an MFT buying it separately would make no sense). You can get a longer rail instead of the 55" if you pay the incremental difference.

Hope this answers your question.

:)
 
In January 2006 when I bought my first TS55 included in the price was one 1400mm (55") guide rail. I added a second 1400mm rail and got the necessary coupling bars as part of the accessory kit cat #492 396.  I knew I would need to couple rails to make rip cuts on 8' sheets. At the time I had no convenient way to transport the 2700mm (106") or 3000mm (118") rails. After happily using my TS55 and CT22 over the weekend I realized breaking apart the coupling to make cross-grain cuts was wasting time, I was up against the end of my annual vacation and had to finish a project. So that Monday I bought another 1400mm rail.

When the TS55 became available it included a 1900mm (75") rail. I carefully adjusted the new TS75 to match the TS55 when both were using the blades included with each with respect to the guide rail splinter guard.

By the time I bought my second TS55 I had a truck with a lumber rack so transporting longer rails was no problem, but in my condo I only had room for the 2700mm (108") rail. I paid the difference to get that instead of another 1400mm rail.

This year as I was about to open my large shop, I bought another TS55 and paid the difference for a 3000mm rail, which allows the TS75 to make 8' rips.

When I decided I could not live without a 5000mm (197") guide rail, I seriously considered selling one of the TS55 with a 1400mm rail so I could combine the really long rail with a TS55. Eventually I kept my saws and just paid list price for the 5000mm rail, which is only USA$26 less than list on the saw and 1400mm rail. Festool is kind enough to offer combo pricing on saws and CT. Everyone of the CT I purchased new was part of a combo deal with another qualifying Festool.

I think Festool and their dealers are fair to allow credit on the 1400mm rail toward the price of longer ones.

BTW, when you have space to use it, you will really appreciate the 5000mm rail
 
 As Richard mentioned, the 55" rail is sold with the saw and you can (with some dealers) substitute another rail for the difference in price  Some dealers will/can also sell the saw without the rail; with at most $94.50 knocked off the price. I've done it on request.

 Bob
 
ccarrolladams said:
In January 2006 when I bought my first TS55 included in the price was one 1400mm (55") guide rail. I added a second 1400mm rail and got the necessary coupling bars as part of the accessory kit cat #492 396.  I knew I would need to couple rails to make rip cuts on 8' sheets. At the time I had no convenient way to transport the 2700mm (106") or 3000mm (118") rails. After happily using my TS55 and CT22 over the weekend I realized breaking apart the coupling to make cross-grain cuts was wasting time, I was up against the end of my annual vacation and had to finish a project. So that Monday I bought another 1400mm rail.

When the TS55 became available it included a 1900mm (75") rail. I carefully adjusted the new TS75 to match the TS55 when both were using the blades included with each with respect to the guide rail splinter guard.

By the time I bought my second TS55 I had a truck with a lumber rack so transporting longer rails was no problem, but in my condo I only had room for the 2700mm (108") rail. I paid the difference to get that instead of another 1400mm rail.

This year as I was about to open my large shop, I bought another TS55 and paid the difference for a 3000mm rail, which allows the TS75 to make 8' rips.

When I decided I could not live without a 5000mm (197") guide rail, I seriously considered selling one of the TS55 with a 1400mm rail so I could combine the really long rail with a TS55. Eventually I kept my saws and just paid list price for the 5000mm rail, which is only USA$26 less than list on the saw and 1400mm rail. Festool is kind enough to offer combo pricing on saws and CT. Everyone of the CT I purchased new was part of a combo deal with another qualifying Festool.

I think Festool and their dealers are fair to allow credit on the 1400mm rail toward the price of longer ones.

BTW, when you have space to use it, you will really appreciate the 5000mm rail

If you don't mind my curiousity and from having worked in a cabinet shop that had a laser guided saw for sheet goods like I believe you have, what are you using the FS5000 rail for?
 
Ken Nagrod said:
If you don't mind my curiousity and from having worked in a cabinet shop that had a laser guided saw for sheet goods like I believe you have, what are you using the FS5000 rail for?

Our Holzma HPP 250 pressure beam saw does have a laser for certain purposes, but actually positions the material under computer control. The computer also controls the depth of cut, speed of rotation and speed of cutting, as well as use or not of the scoring saw. When the main saw blade is changed and the s/n of the new blade is entered, the systen adjusts the kerf of the scoring blade to be appropriate.

As far as I know, no available pressure beam saw can make bevel cuts. Only in theory is it possible to manually position material for miter cuts. The job of the beam saw is to make Festool-quality glue ready cuts in sheet goods at right angles. The first step is to make a clean-up rip. The laser helps the saw measure the straightness of the factory edge so as to remove the minimum amount of material. From then on all rips are measured by the saw relative to the cleaned edge. The saw can and does calculate to 0.1mm on either side of the blade. Once the rips are made, the pieces are rotated 90 degrees. While being cut they are forced against a very long fence. Each ripped piece is cleaned up with the aid of the laser.

Our Felder Format 4 Kappa 550 E-Motion sliding table saw was selected to produce miter and bevel cuts in sheet goods, as well as handling all the rips and some cross-cuts in solid lumber. All adjustments of the arbor and rotation speed, as well as use of the scoring unit, are under computer control when desired. So is the position of the rip fence. Setting of the various miter fences is manual by choice on our Kappa 550.

Once we installed the Kappa 550 very quickly our specialist in face frames found it ultra effective on the expensive solid woods he uses. All of us in my shop are very experienced with Kapex. I own 2 and he owns one. Our specialist in installation owns another Kapex. As our shop methods evolved, many of the miter and bevel cross-cuts we expected to do on the Kappa 550 are done more efficiently on a Kapex. Still, we do so much precision ripping on the Kappa 550 we looked for alternatives when sheet goods needed miter and bevel cuts. Again, all of us who specialize in constructing cabinet cases have years of experience with a variety of table saws as well as Felder plunge saws with guide rails.

We use a lot of 4x10' stock. We have work tables drilled with 20mm holes on 96mm centers like giant MFT. We also have a coupled pair of MFT with a 1900mm rail mounted on the long side, so when a part is small enough we can use the angle unit to work as expected with a MFT.

For larger parts, we bought a second Felder miter unit identical to the one on our Kappa 550. That is attached to a very long work table with the MFT-style holes. Our 5000mm rail is normally used with the guide parts from a MFT. That work table as the longest sections of the MFT/3 extrusions mounted as if it were an actual MFT. The Felder miter unit positions the work relative to the very long guide rail. With the long, long rail there is no problem supporting the TS55 or TS75 at either end of the cut. With practice and experience we can and do make these cuts as accurately and efficiently as on the big slider saw. The advantage to the work table is only one cabinet maker is needed to set the miter unit. One of our vacuum lifts aids positioning sheet goods without needing a second cabinet maker.  That same vacuum lift also serves the Kappa 550 when needed. Another vacuum lift serves the beam saw and a Weeke 512 3700mm (147.5") x 1550mm (61.0") CNC nested router.

We have several other work tables, all with sacrificial tops, all with the 20mm holes on 96mm centers, all produced on our CNC router during slack periods, all made from 19mm plywood that for one reason or another had cosmetic flaws. We use our 2700mm and 3000mm rails on those tables when needed to produce parts, especially while in the prototype stage. Once happy with the results we take measurements and program those into the beam saw for later production.

I believe strongly it is vital to have experience with TS saws and guide rails before learning to program computer assisted saws, just as you need extensive manual router experience to program a CNC router.

My current shop is possible because of the efficiency of my Festools from 2006 until early 2010.
 
C,

Maybe when you get a chance you can post some pictures of these shop made setups and financed for eternity machines  [big grin].
No wonder why you're running 480vac.  What kind of volume are you doing that you invested so much into the current setup?
 
Ken Nagrod said:
C,

Maybe when you get a chance you can post some pictures of these shop made setups and financed for eternity machines  [big grin].
No wonder why you're running 480vac.  What kind of volume are you doing that you invested so much into the current setup?

All of my customers are either designers or custom shops which concentrate of selling and installing jobs. Each of the 6 cabinet makers working for and with me are welcome to sell jobs on their own either directly to clients or through re-sellers. We were just reaching speed last November, when we produced 6 extensive jobs, an office, 2 big closet organizers and 3 kitchens. Although we were scheduled to do 3 big kitchens in December, due to bad weather one got postponed to January as a result in dry wall delay. We finished that job yesterday. We have 5 more similar or larger jobs scheduled for the rest of the month.

A major reason for the large machines is that I believe in using state-of-the-art measuring equipment after the walls are installed and ready for paint. We have completed the design when the job is booked and ordered hardware, drawer carcasses, sometimes doors, special solid lumber and sheet goods beyond the pre-finished maple we stock in large quantity. Once the as-built measurements are made we leap into production, after fine-tuning the data in the computers.

We anticipate an increase in volume. Many additional cabinet makers have sent us resumes. As we have enough work these folks are working part-time primarily assembling cabinets. This gives us a decent chance to see individual skills and to asses which of them will fit into our business family. We have enough space to store more than 4 units of 4x10 PF Maple, 2 units of shop Birch and a unit each of 6mm and 12mm plywood for backs. I really like not needing to have expensive material delivered when it is raining. Our shipping/receiving door is large enough box trucks can back in to be loaded with finished cabinets. A lumber delivery truck could back in to be unloaded, although it is faster to drive the forklift outside.

We use electric/pneumatic case assembly systems for most cabinets, the ones without odd angles. Once our newer people gain experience and confidence using those production goes very well. We have parking for a total of 18. With 12,500 square feet we are not crowded in any area, especially assembly.

Yes, we do need to remain focused. My belief is shared by those working with me that in the long run quality trumps speed. Our wholesale customers accept we do our best to go from as-built measurements to completed assemblies very quickly.

Our prices are on the high end. I do not want to take jobs away from existing shops, many owned by my friends, based on low-ball bids. 
 
ccaroladams,

Your place sounds like a real state of the art work environment. I would love to see some of the setups if you ever have the time to snap a few pics!
 
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