TS 55 in new CMS router table?

[Eli]

I just find this really funny. When I was a kid my Dad had (probably still has) a table for turning a circular saw into a tablesaw. It was something he bought at Hechingers or Rickles or one of those other old hardware chains that Home Depot and Lowes shut down... It was a piece of junk made of thin steel and hardboard with a few supports and sold for something like $30. It used any circular saw you had lying around and just had 4 bolts and a couple of plates to hold the circular saw in place to the underside of the table. It actually did have a blade guard of cheap plastic and a miter gauge, also of plastic and cast metal.

Look how far we've come... LOL
-Jim

we still have something very similar in Australia, called the Triton.

 

[Frank Pellow]

What do "unlisted" and "non-approved" mean?

They are synonyms for "nanny state"...

[thumbs up]  Too true!  [thumbs up] 

 

[Frank Pellow]

Are theses available in Canada?

I'm sorry to say NO.  We seem to blindly follow the USA with silly restrictions like this one.

 

[lambeater]

I just find this really funny. When I was a kid my Dad had (probably still has) a table for turning a circular saw into a tablesaw. It was something he bought at Hechingers or Rickles or one of those other old hardware chains that Home Depot and Lowes shut down... It was a piece of junk made of thin steel and hardboard with a few supports and sold for something like $30. It used any circular saw you had lying around and just had 4 bolts and a couple of plates to hold the circular saw in place to the underside of the table. It actually did have a blade guard of cheap plastic and a miter gauge, also of plastic and cast metal.

Look how far we've come... LOL
-Jim

we still have something very similar in Australia, called the Triton.

Hey that was my first table saw when I lived in New Zealand. Had an 8 1/4 AEG saw mounted in it. Could also flip the lid and crosscut. Also had the router table and I think jigsaw to go with it. It did serve me well until I came to CANADA.

Lambeater

 

[Peter Durand]

Are theses available in Canada?

Nope. This country is even more nanny state than California. Things have to be CSA "approved". Let me tell you a story. A few years ago an unnamed university bought a machine from Germany that was going to be used the physics lab. But it didn't have the CSA "approval". So they couldn't plug it in and turn it on.  No one at CSA had a clue what it was supposed to do let alone how it was made. This was cutting edge very advanced stuff to test things thought out in theoretical physics. To make a long story short, the man from CSA arrived with his briefcase and when a check (about $10K) made out to CSA was handed over, the approval paper along with a sticker was handed over. No inspection, nothing.

Such is life.

*sigh*

Peter

 

[Peter Durand]

Please forgive me for the bluntness that follows.  I really am a Hostess Twinky at heart,

A TS saw in a CMS is miles away here in the US.  Product liability is the reality.

Buy from elsewhere, take the risk - up to you.  Don't expect anyone to officially acknowledge you or answer any questions.  No warranty coverage either.

Peter

Hmmm. It appears that Festool must sell some very unsafe stuff to folks in the rest of the world. Just saying...   

 

[peter halle]

Threads about the use of modules for the CMS not approved for use in North America will have this posted within that thread:

Forum Moderator Note

Warning: The Festool CMS System is approved for use with only the OF 1400 and OF 1010 routers in the US and Canadian markets.  It is not approved for use with the OF 2200, nor with any of the CMS modules currently available outside the US and Canadian markets (TS, Jigsaw and sanding modules).  Festool USA does not  endorse the use of these components and will not support them with spare  parts or repairs. The use of anything other than the OF 1400 and OF 1010 routers and their related accessories with the CMS will void the warranty agreement on the entire system for customers within the US and Canada. Festool does not endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual.

Peter

 

[BrotherBrian]

Please forgive me for the bluntness that follows.  I really am a Hostess Twinky at heart,

A TS saw in a CMS is miles away here in the US.  Product liability is the reality.

Buy from elsewhere, take the risk - up to you.  Don't expect anyone to officially acknowledge you or answer any questions.  No warranty coverage either.

Peter

Hmmm. It appears that Festool must sell some very unsafe stuff to folks in the rest of the world. Just saying...   

I'm putting my life in danger by posting this, but I can't remain quiet any longer.

Festool, in conspiracy with the imperialistic US government created the TS55 insert for the specific purpose of disabling a good portion of European males.  This is a prelude to an armed invasion of Europe by US forces. 

The idea is to have millions of Europeans lop their thumbs/fingers/hands off so that they won't be able to operate firearms correctly, nor will they be able to type resistance messages on the internet.  Festool is actually a CIA front.

This information may seem incredible to many, but I can assure all readers that my source is a reliable internet guy who also exposed the fact that all government officials are reptiles.

I now have to go back into hiding in my mother's basement.

 

[Stone Message]

We Europeans (hate that expression - I am British) have nothing to fear. I was a marksman with every infantry weapon in the British Army and I still have enough digits to fight back!

The real reason that the TS CMS unit is not available became clear to me a couple of years ago - I watched the Johnny Cash film. Cash's brother was using a table saw.

Peter

 

[Sparktrician]

The idea is to have millions of Europeans lop their thumbs/fingers/hands off so that they won't be able to operate firearms correctly, nor will they be able to type resistance messages on the internet.  Festool is actually a CIA front.

Seems that this might be related to the story about "pluck yew"...

[scared]

 

[andvari]

Are theses available in Canada?

Nope. This country is even more nanny state than California. Things have to be CSA "approved". Let me tell you a story. A few years ago an unnamed university bought a machine from Germany that was going to be used the physics lab. But it didn't have the CSA "approval". So they couldn't plug it in and turn it on.  No one at CSA had a clue what it was supposed to do let alone how it was made. This was cutting edge very advanced stuff to test things thought out in theoretical physics. To make a long story short, the man from CSA arrived with his briefcase and when a check (about $10K) made out to CSA was handed over, the approval paper along with a sticker was handed over. No inspection, nothing.

Such is life.

*sigh*

Peter

That indeed would be worse. During my university career we used some exotic equipment. Large molecular diffusion pumps. One off electrospray ionization mass spectrometers. And so on. Build some from scratch or custom order too. In the US anyway there is an exemption for such exotic stuff under US law. Good thing too - one of the people in these labs won a Nobel Prize for something that led to a very famous family of drugs - protease inhibitors.

Anyway here is the US regulation:

29 CFR 1910.399 (a)(iii) states that "...custom made equipment or related installations which are designed, fabricated for, and intended for use by a particular customer (are acceptable) if it is determined to be safe for its intended use by its manufacturer on the basis of test data which the employer keeps and makes available for inspection...". For equipment built in-house, the builder must provide documentation to ensure the user that the equipment is safe for its intended use. This documentation may consist of a letter stating what inspections and testing were performed to ensure safety (such as covers installed to prevent inadvertent contact with energized parts, grounding conductor continuity, proper voltages at terminals, etc.) as well as wiring diagrams or schematics, procedures, etc. as appropriate. Breadboards or test circuits that are under development are exempt form these documentation requirements. Also exempt are MC or SA parts and components as well as commercial components or parts (versus completed equipment) purchased for use in electrical equipment or assemblies.

In other words self-certification using a common sense approach to safety.

UL or CSA is not needed.

 

[lambeater]

This forum is brutal! We buy a festool, it comes with a poor manual that somehow it ok for UL and CSA. It comes with all the warranty info for the tool also. Then suddenly festool employees or administrators of this forum post there own interpretation of the festool warranty. So when an injury does occur and we all go to court because everyone loves to sue in North America what info does the court get, forum rules or warranty manual. I'm totally confused? Man I miss New Zealand life is so much less complicated!
I worked for a New Zealand company before coming to Canada and was also responsible for CE certification, manuals and warranty technical info of the product so I do have a good understanding of what is needed. I try to read the Festool manual and warranty info of the CMS system but it is so poorly worded that it can be interpreted anyway you want, and yes I did purchase a CMS on the first day of intro in Canada and love it.
Problem is it came complete as a European system with all the parts for a OF2200 Router table as did many other units on intro but the manual was for an OF1010 or OF1400 router. In my view thats like selling a customer a mustang but supplying them with a ford focus manual.
Then we should read the warranty info on page 8 of the manual and its interpretation. Basically I can interprete as in the intended use  that you may only use the OF 1010 or the 1400 in model CMS-OF. But then read the next sentence if basically says that by interpretation of wording you may mount and OF 2000 or 2200 in the module CMS-GE. Kinda crazy, guess festool needs to write better manuals before it bites them! ouch.
Really the only thing that probably failed for UL or CSA is the current rating of the switch, so put in a heavier current isolation or manual motor starter problem solved.
Well got that out of my system so as others have said....... I'm just sayin.

thx
Lambeater.