TS55 Teardown on YouTube
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I saw it and from the comments of the Festool haters i was expecting the worst, but i am generally pleased.
He doesn't really seem to know what a plunge saw is for or how it's used, seeing it as a fancy job site circular saw. While it's more of a portable panel saw for precise and clean work. A precision tool nobody would abuse like a circ saw or use with grease on their hands wtf.
He also doesn't appear to know that bronze bushings in these applications are better and more durable than roller bearings.
The motor windings are apparently glued together, not dipped. He claims they are loose lol. Etc...
kind of fun to watch to the second degree, but he aint no rocket scientist.
He doesn't really seem to know what a plunge saw is for or how it's used, seeing it as a fancy job site circular saw. While it's more of a portable panel saw for precise and clean work. A precision tool nobody would abuse like a circ saw or use with grease on their hands wtf.
He also doesn't appear to know that bronze bushings in these applications are better and more durable than roller bearings.
The motor windings are apparently glued together, not dipped. He claims they are loose lol. Etc...
kind of fun to watch to the second degree, but he aint no rocket scientist.
Agreed. Interesting to watch for sure. I thought it was funny how kept going on about how the Festool "cover" was made of a cheaper plastic. I mean...you're not suppose to drop it on there or do anything that would break that side anyway. If you break that cover...you're an idiot...right?
I take care of all my tools. If it's expensive, it gets set down. I don't just throw it down. Not even a drill. The ONLY thing I may throw around are sockets and wrenches. Nothing breaks those things...it's not a big deal. I have a Snap On FHL80 rachet...I don't throw it around...even though I probably could and it would be fine. It's also the only snap on tool I have so it's some what cherished LOL
I take care of all my tools. If it's expensive, it gets set down. I don't just throw it down. Not even a drill. The ONLY thing I may throw around are sockets and wrenches. Nothing breaks those things...it's not a big deal. I have a Snap On FHL80 rachet...I don't throw it around...even though I probably could and it would be fine. It's also the only snap on tool I have so it's some what cherished LOL
I've been watching his channel for a while now and I appreciate what he is doing. At the very least, even with some misinformation, the popularity of his channel and tear down videos keep the manufacturers on their toes. And that benefits us all.
Like a few others have already said I think the vitriol against him and this video is a little overzealous at best and to a large degree it is also derived from limited viewing of his videos. He is sarcastic and what not and it's his stique. I like it, it's funny, and he might be ignorant on a few things but the guy is smart. He never, as far as I've heard, tells us exactly what he does for a living but my guess is he works on big BIG axx machines and is paid well for the knowledge he has in a specific niche of that industry.
It would have been nice if he knew more about the festool as a "system" before the video but that is easily overlooked. I never understood the reason for the plug-it either except to keep it proprietary. The thing he didn't notice about the Plug-It on the TS55 is that it is a royal PITA to hookup and remove if you have decently fat fingers. I agree with his assessment of the plastic on the $80+ systainers. I've had several that arrived with a crack on the outside of the case and had to be returned or replaced. The inserts use even cheaper and crappier plastic and I had one of the sander disc inserts arrive with a brand new case and the insert was torn completely in half... not sure how but it was replaced quickly.
A few months ago after watching one of his videos I commented or messaged him about doing a teardown of the Festool drills. I still hope he does one of those. I have two of them and they are the best drills I've ever owned. The batteries on them seem to last for a looong time and I would love to know if they are doing something clever with the battery or the elec in the drill or both.
Maybe he's not an expert in every aspect of engineering but he is smart and we should appreciate his effort on this so we can all learn something. BTW if you can do better -- do. I'll watch your teardown of a $1000 saw as well
[edit] just want to add a bit more about my complaints on the plug-it. I do understand and LOVE that each tool has a detachable power cord and that you can un-plug one and pickup another with the power/dust hose. It is quick and a huge plus for the Festool system. I've just had some issues getting it into and out of the TS55 because of the space between the plug-in recepticle and adjacent plastic parts. Would be nice if they used a non-proprietary locking plug or even a 3-prong pc power cord style. Do they really get ripped out during use? just wanted to clarify a bit before I get beat down :-D
Like a few others have already said I think the vitriol against him and this video is a little overzealous at best and to a large degree it is also derived from limited viewing of his videos. He is sarcastic and what not and it's his stique. I like it, it's funny, and he might be ignorant on a few things but the guy is smart. He never, as far as I've heard, tells us exactly what he does for a living but my guess is he works on big BIG axx machines and is paid well for the knowledge he has in a specific niche of that industry.
It would have been nice if he knew more about the festool as a "system" before the video but that is easily overlooked. I never understood the reason for the plug-it either except to keep it proprietary. The thing he didn't notice about the Plug-It on the TS55 is that it is a royal PITA to hookup and remove if you have decently fat fingers. I agree with his assessment of the plastic on the $80+ systainers. I've had several that arrived with a crack on the outside of the case and had to be returned or replaced. The inserts use even cheaper and crappier plastic and I had one of the sander disc inserts arrive with a brand new case and the insert was torn completely in half... not sure how but it was replaced quickly.
A few months ago after watching one of his videos I commented or messaged him about doing a teardown of the Festool drills. I still hope he does one of those. I have two of them and they are the best drills I've ever owned. The batteries on them seem to last for a looong time and I would love to know if they are doing something clever with the battery or the elec in the drill or both.
Maybe he's not an expert in every aspect of engineering but he is smart and we should appreciate his effort on this so we can all learn something. BTW if you can do better -- do. I'll watch your teardown of a $1000 saw as well
[edit] just want to add a bit more about my complaints on the plug-it. I do understand and LOVE that each tool has a detachable power cord and that you can un-plug one and pickup another with the power/dust hose. It is quick and a huge plus for the Festool system. I've just had some issues getting it into and out of the TS55 because of the space between the plug-in recepticle and adjacent plastic parts. Would be nice if they used a non-proprietary locking plug or even a 3-prong pc power cord style. Do they really get ripped out during use? just wanted to clarify a bit before I get beat down :-D
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briankb said:Maybe he's not an expert in every aspect of engineering but he is smart and we should appreciate his effort on this so we can all learn something. BTW if you can do better -- do. I'll watch your teardown of a $1000 saw as well
But therein lies the problem. He tosses out a couple of buzz-words and gets the uninitiated to believe he knows stuff. And like you, those viewers believe they just learned something valuable about a tool, any tool. They didn't!
It's not about any negative comments he makes about any tool he reviews. It's about how he presents himself as some sort of educator, when he is far from that.
Humor is humor, but you (and a few others) have specifically made the case against this when you suggested that he in fact, educated you in some way.
Rick Christopherson said:
So you and others like you are the authority on if I learned something. You can surely judge if I am smart or he is smart based on your own level of knowledge. But you do not get to tell me if I learned something or not -- I'm the only person who knows that.
With that said did you learn anything from watching the video tear down of the TS-55?
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briankb said:
True BUT if what you learnt was plain wrong, because he is plain wrong, you're not better off and most likely YOU won't realise it...
I saw this video while on vacation, I knew there would be some good retorts here. [tongue]
Incidentally, an engine crankshaft always has positive oil pressure being supplied via an oil pump.
The temperature test is used to determine composition, not necessarily of ultimate failure temperature. Watch his other videos and he'll go through the various compositions of other commonly used tool plastics, some that are better and some that are worse than what Festool has decided to use.
Pilot bushings don't take any axial force because the input shaft and clutch plates aren't helically cut. Any stray forces *should* be contained in the transmission housing, although some underdesigned cases experience a lot of case flex under load (see Subaru), and gears are spat out.
Lbob131 said:
Incidentally, an engine crankshaft always has positive oil pressure being supplied via an oil pump.
Cheese said:
The temperature test is used to determine composition, not necessarily of ultimate failure temperature. Watch his other videos and he'll go through the various compositions of other commonly used tool plastics, some that are better and some that are worse than what Festool has decided to use.
Pilot bushings don't take any axial force because the input shaft and clutch plates aren't helically cut. Any stray forces *should* be contained in the transmission housing, although some underdesigned cases experience a lot of case flex under load (see Subaru), and gears are spat out.
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Is he trying to educate viewers or gain viewers?
And as far as learning, I think most of us could learn something from a teardown with the audio muted.
I don't care what he says, let him have at it and I'll watch 'cause, I'm not tearing down a working tool whether I paid $650 or $1000 for it!
And as far as learning, I think most of us could learn something from a teardown with the audio muted.
I don't care what he says, let him have at it and I'll watch 'cause, I'm not tearing down a working tool whether I paid $650 or $1000 for it!
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briankb said:
My knowledge of the saw is already several magnitudes above that of the video presenter. So no, I did not learn anything from him. But that foreknowledge is also why I am qualified to call B.S. on what he did say.
The whole point of what I said is that to the uninitiated, he sounded like an expert. But to someone that actually is an expert, his B.S. is pretty transparent. So in answer to your other unasked question, yes, I am qualified to tell you that you did not receive the education that you thought you got.
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If I have a problem I'll just send mine back to service at Festool USA. I didn't watch the video and am glad that I didn't miss much.
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briankb said:
Did it ever occur to you that you should research who you're arguing with? [scared]
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just seen it too but im not really surprised mine was faulty strait out of the box
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