TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???

Infected98

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Hi everyone,

Contemplating new tool purchase.
Was thinking about getting a TS75 but the saw has "magically disappeared" on both the dutch .nl site and the international .com site.
Is there going to be a new generation of TS75 (TS80/85/?) using new 1.8 mm cutting blades (similar to the new TS55-FEBQ) in the (near) future?
The TS75 is still being sold but I'd rather wait for a "decisively improved" version.

Any advice / info is appreciated,
Thanks in advance.

 
Infected98 said:
Hi everyone,

Contemplating new tool purchase.
Was thinking about getting a TS75 but the saw has "magically disappeared" on both the dutch .nl site and the international .com site.
Is there going to be a new generation of TS75 (TS80/85/?) using new 1.8 mm cutting blades (similar to the new TS55-FEBQ) in the (near) future?
The TS75 is still being sold but I'd rather wait for a "decisively improved" version.

Any advice / info is appreciated,
Tanks in advance.
You will probably not get a firm answer until a final decision is made. As of now it looks like a casualty of shortage of production capacity which is temporary due to the Covid situation.

In any case, I would not wait for "improved" TS75 as there is really nothing that can be "substantially improved" there. Maybe a TS55-style anti-splinter guard here and a bit better dust port there. But there is no space for a game-changing improvement with that saw.

Ref the blades, that is easy. There is no way you can get a sufficiently stable blade at 1.8 kerf and 210 mm blade diameter so physics will disagree with any thinning here.

The thinner kerf at 160mm was to both unite the blade range with the HKC which requires thinner kerf for power reasons and to better compete with Maffel saws. There are no such needs with the TS75 and it being a more hardwood-geared tool I would argue the pressures are for a more stable blade if anything ..
 
I'm glad I got mine last Fall! I had picked that saw for it's large cutting depth capacity in a track saw model.
 
Someone spotted it as being "temporarily out of stock" on festools website, which is very odd.  So probably shouldn't jump to the "discontinued" path too fast. They very well just have parts shortages.

Now given the other saws just got an update, and it's an oddball, a change wouldn't be that shocking.  I could see them going back to an 85 saw for the big TS, and make it more of a sister saw to the HK85, much like the HK55/TS55 setup. Or they simply make some changes like they just did on the 55s. To make an updated 75.

Given a 75 is for cutting thick solid wood, verses the 55s being for sheet goods, I suspect removal of riving knife would not be a good move.  Solid wood doesn't play as nice as plywood.
 
mino said:
In any case, I would not wait for "improved" TS75 as there is really nothing that can be "substantially improved" there. Maybe a TS55-style anti-splinter guard here and a bit better dust port there. But there is no space for a game-changing improvement with that saw.
Also a bit more power, better trunions, plunge hinge with bronze bushings and no slop (learn from Mafell). So, it adds up.
 
Festool should publicly say something about things being discontinued or just being sold out at the moment.  [huh]
 
Coen said:
Festool should publicly say something about things being discontinued or just being sold out at the moment.  [huh]

Maybe public rumor mongering is how they do market survey's now for future product planning.  [big grin]
 
Svar said:
mino said:
In any case, I would not wait for "improved" TS75 as there is really nothing that can be "substantially improved" there. Maybe a TS55-style anti-splinter guard here and a bit better dust port there. But there is no space for a game-changing improvement with that saw.
Also a bit more power, better trunions, plunge hinge with bronze bushings and no slop (learn from Mafell). So, it adds up.

+1 on needing more power
 
Hi everyone,

Thank you all very much for your replies!
I have no doubt there will be a big brother of the TS55 that will be in store in the future since there has been one at least since 1996.
Whether it will be a TS75 as we know it (when shortage of production capacity is history) or a "decisively improved" version (with bigger cut-depth / more power / better trunions / plunge hinge with bronze bushings and no slop / improved anti-splinterguard / better dust port / less weight / …) only time will tell.
I am in no hurry to make a decision so I will wait and see (and maybe get another nice FesToy in the meantime).
Keep safe (both in the shop and from covid)!
 

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Maybe the TS75 will get the 'K' option like the TS55 recently did so production has paused as they sell down current inventory prior to introducing the new and improved version. 
 
They read my rant here the other day about wanting a TS65 so now a few heads have rolled and they're frantically working on replacing the TS75 with a new TS65.  [tongue]
 
Alex said:
They read my rant here the other day about wanting a TS65 so now a few heads have rolled and they're frantically working on replacing the TS75 with a new TS65.  [tongue]

LOL, some times you have to be careful what you ask for....it might come true.  [scared]
 
Alex said:
They read my rant here the other day about wanting a TS65 so now a few heads have rolled and they're frantically working on replacing the TS75 with a new TS65.  [tongue]

TS64 or TS66 they won't let you be happy.
 
I need a big depth cut TS, and am wondering, should I buy one now or wait?  I know this is very subjective question, and I'm seriously leaning to just buying the current version as I have no TS at the moment.

I was going to go with the Makita when I was considering a smaller TS due to a video I now can't find, that showed the Makita had less tearout than the Festool.  But I really want/'need' the 75 ;)
 
I imagine the video you refer to is the one produced a couple of months back by Jonathan Katz-Moses.  If so, it's a ridiculous 'review'.  He's lazy and over-opinionated about something he has no business reviewing in the first place in such a half-baked manner.

Think that's harsh?  The man references the splinter guard at 14 minutes in, but doesn't bother actually fitting it.  He says just seconds later:

"Now, full disclosure,  I've never actually used this so I'd maybe have to read the manual, because it does looks like it does hit the blade, so maybe you cut into it a little bit and then you get that perfect zero clearance or it's just for scoring, ummmm, I'd have to do a little more research to give you my full opinion on that"

Well, that's just stupid stuff.  The tool is equipped with a feature which very effectively eliminates tear-out on the waste side.  And if you look at what he shows on camera after making his cuts, he's showing the waste pieces, not the clean edge (on top anyway) that remains on the sheet he's taken strips off with the saws. 

If you pay attention you'll see that the depth of cut is barely enough to cut through the material he's cutting.  Just barely enough, which is why he's also getting tear-out on the underside, on both sides of the blade.  15:08 is the timestamp.  Screenshot attached.

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I can't understand how anyone thinks this guy is an authority on anything, especially as an impartial reviewer of any sort.  His nonsense at the start of the video is just that, absolute nonsense.  Festool wanted a promotional partnership.  He misrepresents it as Festool looking to pay him for a positive review.  They didn't do that, he completely distorts what they were asking of him.  They have a marketing budget and asked what a particular spend could generate in terms of content on his channel.  He publishes the email - It's as plainly put by Festool as it can be.  They basically ask that if they partner with him until year end, pay him $6000 and give him a free saw, what could he suggest he could do.  He then soapboxes in his reply, before going on about how he never takes payments for positive reviews, except he does, but not for direct payment, just in the form of "a small kickback from a company for recommending their products".

Talk about a hypocritical time-waster.  The man has no business taking peoples time like this and distorting the outcome of a 'Comprehensive (give me a break!) comparison and review' - He didn't even fit the splinter guard.  It's beyond me why folks would believe what he has to say about anything other than himself.  He's entirely self promotional and all about selling his stop-blocks, pushing plans, aprons and merchandise.

Ignore the fool.  Buy a TS75 if you'd like one and can find one at the moment.  They're excellent tools.

 

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Christophl said:
I need a big depth cut TS, and am wondering, should I buy one now or wait?  I know this is very subjective question, and I'm seriously leaning to just buying the current version as I have no TS at the moment.

I was going to go with the Makita when I was considering a smaller TS due to a video I now can't find, that showed the Makita had less tearout than the Festool.  But I really want/'need' the 75 ;)

I recently got ahold of a a TS75 to go along with the TS55 that I have had for some time. The biggest percentage of what I do is sheet goods and the TS55 is great for that. It starts running into lack of power issues if you actually cut at full depth, especially in hard wood, but that's the trade-off of such a small lightweight tool.
The TS75 has no such issues, but it is a significantly larger/heavier saw.
The TS75
 
Paul_HKI said:
I imagine the video you refer to is the one produced a couple of months back by Jonathan Katz-Moses.  If so, it's a ridiculous 'review'.  He's lazy and over-opinionated about something he has no business reviewing in the first place in such a half-baked manner.

Think that's harsh?  The man references the splinter guard at 14 minutes in, but doesn't bother actually fitting it.  He says just seconds later:

"Now, full disclosure,  I've never actually used this so I'd maybe have to read the manual, because it does looks like it does hit the blade, so maybe you cut into it a little bit and then you get that perfect zero clearance or it's just for scoring, ummmm, I'd have to do a little more research to give you my full opinion on that"

Well, that's just stupid stuff.  The tool is equipped with a feature which very effectively eliminates tear-out on the waste side.  And if you look at what he shows on camera after making his cuts, he's showing the waste pieces, not the clean edge (on top anyway) that remains on the sheet he's taken strips off with the saws. 

If you pay attention you'll see that the depth of cut is barely enough to cut through the material he's cutting.  Just barely enough, which is why he's also getting tear-out on the underside, on both sides of the blade.  15:08 is the timestamp.  Screenshot attached.

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I can't understand how anyone thinks this guy is an authority on anything, especially as an impartial reviewer of any sort.  His nonsense at the start of the video is just that, absolute nonsense.  Festool wanted a promotional partnership.  He misrepresents it as Festool looking to pay him for a positive review.  They didn't do that, he completely distorts what they were asking of him.  They have a marketing budget and asked what a particular spend could generate in terms of content on his channel.  He publishes the email - It's as plainly put by Festool as it can be.  They basically ask that if they partner with him until year end, pay him $6000 and give him a free saw, what could he suggest he could do.  He then soapboxes in his reply, before going on about how he never takes payments for positive reviews, except he does, but not for direct payment, just in the form of "a small kickback from a company for recommending their products".

Talk about a hypocritical time-waster.  The man has no business taking peoples time like this and distorting the outcome of a 'Comprehensive (give me a break!) comparison and review' - He didn't even fit the splinter guard.  It's beyond me why folks would believe what he has to say about anything other than himself.  He's entirely self promotional and all about selling his stop-blocks, pushing plans, aprons and merchandise.

Ignore the fool.  Buy a TS75 if you'd like one and can find one at the moment.  They're excellent tools.

Thank you so much for the detailed response Paul!  And you were right, that's the video.  Great and very applicable counter arguments!  I feel somewhat foolish for not paying enough attention to the details, and as a retired physician...I'm not impressed with my critical listening skills lol

I can def. see though how the depth of cut and the lack of splinter guard would seriously affect the cut quality. 

Thanks Paul and Crazyraceguy!  I ordered the TS75...and yes I'm a bit worried about it being too big to work on a MFT like outfeed table I plan to build, but I only wanted one TS.  Fingers crossed as this is my very first Festool tool!
 
An interesting fact, regarding splinter guard use.
I nearly ever se a pre-owned Festool TS saw for sale that has the splinter guard in place.
According to a couple of pro’s I have talked to they tend to only use it when cutting laminated sheets or counter tops, especially plunge cuts for sink cutouts (As was the initial purpose for the plunge function - made for fitters/installers). Instead they rely on sharp blade, right blade for the job and cutting techniques.

The Makita and Festool are very close to each other in every department.
You should check out these guys if you want to see some very good reviews and tests of tools:=share

I’ve a TS 75, it’s bigger, heavier, more bulky and it does what it says on the tin with more grunt.
Good luck with the TS 75  [smile]
 
I'm one of those users. I don't use the splinter guard every time either. I guess it's mostly to save wear and tear on it, since most of the time I don't care about the off-cut side or I'm not cutting something that would matter.
 
My Festool table saw (CS 50) comes with a splinter guard, I have yet to test or use it ..
The stock blade has given very good results without it.
I believe I’ll put it to work when I’ll do some very critical work. Still, on hardwood and plywood I haven’t seen the need so far (And I keep forget that I have the option to fit it).
The blade attack angle and feed rate seems to eliminate tear out quite well in combination with each other.

My other table saw (wich is mostly used for timber) does have more tear out despite fitting a zero clearance insert - it helps yes, but I’d better sharpen or exchange the blade to see some major improvement.
 
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