Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw

[onevw]

I replaced my Sawstop contractors saw with this set up. See pic This does not make much financial sense. But I had both setups and do not have the space for both saws. I do not use the table saw very much I have MFT setups for most of that. The whole setup was hand carried from Germany except the saw motor.

I have a chance to buy a new Bosch flesh detection saw from US a  seller and sell could off the cms table saw system??  I am now thinking this Bosch thing could be weird enough for me and more compact. I do not need to travel with tools any more but do have limited space.

And the saw stop was a great saw.

Any comments would be nice.

 

[Gregor]

I'm going to replace your new setup with a sawstop based table saw (as soon as it becomes available here), both because I like my fingers and adding/removing the dust hood holder / kerf blade on the CMS version is complete unfun.

 

[onevw]

I'm going to replace your new setup with a sawstop based table saw (as soon as it becomes available here), both because I like my fingers and adding/removing the dust hood holder / kerf blade on the CMS version is complete unfun.

UNFUN is a great word to describe the CMS table saw system well stated Sir.

Rick

 

[jeh]

To each his own, but these are not inexpensive decisions.

 

[sancho57]

Do you have any other CMS modules such as the router table and jig saw?

If not then wh the heck not get the Bosch.

I got the same set up as you do.

 

[infer]

I left the TS75 in the cms and got a TS55. Instant happiness;-)

 

[Aegir]

I replaced my Sawstop contractors saw with this set up. See pic This does not make much financial sense. But I had both setups and do not have the space for both saws. I do not use the table saw very much I have MFT setups for most of that. The whole setup was hand carried from Germany except the saw motor.

I have a chance to buy a new Bosch flesh detection saw from US a  seller and sell could off the cms table saw system??  I am now thinking this Bosch thing could be weird enough for me and more compact. I do not need to travel with tools any more but do have limited space.

And the saw stop was a great saw.

Any comments would be nice.

I just bought the same set up as you, but without extensions. Works great in terms of space, though I am wondering on how keen I am to remove the saw to use on the track all the time. Maybe I will just buy another saw! I am having trouble lining up the moving table though, as it sits approx 3mm higher than the CMS. If I apply pressure near the the blade, I will not get a straight vertical edge.
Have to say, once I get that dialed in, I will be happy with this setup, though that Bosch does look interesting!

 

[onevw]

My biggest issue is the festool vacuum/safety thing connector. Its not east to remove for non through cuts.

And yes I have a complete Cms router setup with out a set of extensions or sliding table. I can just transfer if needed from the cms saw.

Also I am not in for profit setting with these tools so the extra time to fiddle with the cms saw is just "unfun".

I also have ts55 stand alone so the 75 stays in the table

Rick

 

[onevw]

Also

What the correct procedure for setting the cs50's sliding fence when ripping?

Rick

 

[sancho57]

To adj the sliding tables fence,
I move the fence as close to the blade as I can, take a pencil hold it to the fence of the sliding table move the fence back anf forth make sure its cutting square. You can tell by the pencil marks on the blade and the way the pencil rides against the blade and adjust the angle stop as needed.

Now heres another thing I figured out the CS 50 fence needs to be adjusted when its
used in a CMS. Im not sure but I think the CS50/70s saw is set traditional like ours parallel to the fence.

When used in the CMS with a TS55/75 it doesnt acount for the toe in on the TS saws. I found after it cuts on the front of the blade and gets to the riving knife it tends to pull away from the fence.

I talked to Phil and he mentioned 4 fence adj screws under the fences head in the front to adj the fence. I didnt really understood what he meant. So I fiddled with it over and over.

After even having a festool rep (when I lived in the UK) come and look at it and  not being able to figure this issue out.

after moving back to the states a friend who is a very experianced woodworker mentioned about the toe in. Then I remembered what Phil told me and it clicked in my noggan.

So I loosened the 4 screws adjusted the fence to the saws toe in which puts the fence parallel to the blade. I got a much better cut using 4/4 cherry and it didn't pull away from the fencebc of the riving knife.

Also I had to adj the extension table to make sure the V grooves were inlined certainly helps when moving the fence

I may be off base if anyone has a better idea please let me know.

But it worked for me

 

[jeh]

Do you have any extension tables and what is the size of the table? A photo of your setup would be great. It's not for me, but is very interesting.

 

[onevw]

To adj the sliding tables fence,
I move the fence as close to the blade as I can, take a pencil hold it to the fence of the sliding table move the fence back anf forth make sure its cutting square. You can tell by the pencil marks on the blade and the way the pencil rides against the blade and adjust the angle stop as needed.

Now heres another thing I figured out the CS 50 fence needs to be adjusted when its
used in a CMS. Im not sure but I think the CS50/70s saw is set traditional like ours parallel to the fence.

When used in the CMS with a TS55/75 it doesnt acount for the toe in on the TS saws. I found after it cuts on the front of the blade and gets to the riving knife it tends to pull away from the fence.

I talked to Phil and he mentioned 4 fence adj screws under the fences head in the front to adj the fence. I didnt really understood what he meant. So I fiddled with it over and over.

After even having a festool rep (when I lived in the UK) come and look at it and  not being able to figure this issue out.

after moving back to the states a friend who is a very experianced woodworker mentioned about the toe in. Then I remembered what Phil told me and it clicked in my noggan.

So I loosened the 4 screws adjusted the fence to the saws toe in which puts the fence parallel to the blade. I got a much better cut using 4/4 cherry and it didn't pull away from the fencebc of the riving knife.

Also I had to adj the extension table to make sure the V grooves were inlined certainly helps when moving the fence

I may be off base if anyone has a better idea please let me know.

But it worked for me

Many thanks for the response!

I am trying to ask what is the correct use of the rt side fence. I am thinking its a cs50.

The fence has a sliding face that can be move front to rear and help control kick back pinching.

I think this is a common anti kickback design in many countries not like the teeth from the top we use in the USA.

I am not sure where it should be set when moved to the rear.

If not set correctly the cms TSXX system can be a rocket launcher!!!

Rick

 

[HowardH]

I have the CMS GE with the router and jig saw set ups.  It would be an easy leap to get the 75 and matching CMS module and I could get rid of my cheap, Rigid Home Depot saw.  I love that you can easily move the fence to either side of the blade.  I already have a TS55 so I also would keep the 75 permanently mounted.  It would save shop space, for sure, and fit into the system.  I got the set when I purchased the GE so it appears I would have duplicate miter gauges, fences, etc. since it looks like the CMS TS75 module comes with all those parts.   

 

[sancho57]

Do you have any extension tables and what is the size of the table? A photo of your setup would be great. It's not for me, but is very interesting.

Mine is the same as the OPs

 

[sancho57]

[member=396]HowardH[/member]

Yes you get a extra angle stop with the CMS TS module. But it is a bit different. It is a bit longer then the one that comes with the MFT.  Plus a second angle stop come in handy.
But as far as extension tables go, I would get the one with the 2 legs (looks like MFT legs) rather then the one I got which has the 2 arms that attach to the CMS (like the outfeed that comes with the CMS GE). It cost a little more but I think you will be happier with it.

 

[HowardH]

Thanks.  Can you buy the side extension table in the US?  It's not listed, from what I can tell, on the US website.  I have the outfeed table but having the side table would be critical, I would imagine. 

 

[onevw]

Thanks.  Can you buy the side extension table in the US?  It's not listed, from what I can tell, on the US website.  I have the outfeed table but having the side table would be critical, I would imagine.

Not with Mother Festoosl USA blessings but ebay has them from sellers on the other side of the wall.

Rick

 

[onevw]

Check out this Great Russian wood workers Festool tracksaw blade adjustment system he built.

\Has not returned email about how too get one made or buy the code go print one.

 

[Svar]

Check out this Great Russian wood workers Festool tracksaw blade adjustment system he built.

He is a Ukrainian woodworker.

 

[sancho57]

Thanks.  Can you buy the side extension table in the US?  It's not listed, from what I can tell, on the US website.  I have the outfeed table but having the side table would be critical, I would imagine.

Ya know Howard, Im not entirely sure ya cant buy it here. After all its not a tool its a accessory . I would get a PN and call festool and see.

If not order it online from a Euro company that will ship here.

the one I got is the one that attaches to the CMS with the adj arms. The one I recommend getting is the one with the legs