Universal vrs Workshop cleaning set

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pmkierst

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I need a cleaning set for my CT22. I am so stuck, so I turn to you for advice and to be able abdicate responsibility for my purchase.. I think I have narrowed to two options, the Universal set or the Workshop set (+some extras).

Requirements:
- routine workshop cleaning, particularly tools. Requirements: brush+floor sweep+crevice tool. I do sweep routinely and won't be relying on the vac for heavy clean up.
- car cleaning. Mostly crevice tool I expect.
- cleaning boards pre-finishing. Requirements: A brush (probably the longer one)
- Emergency wet cleaning. Needed: floor sweep with rubber lips.

If I buy the workshop set, I have to buy the rubber-lips retrofit kit plus a couple of extra nozzles. And I spend a lot more. If I buy the universal kit, I am mostly done and spend a lot less. But .... that anti-static hose calls to me. As does the fancy floor nozzle.

Thoughts?
 
I have the Universal Cleaning Set (454 769), and the Compact Cleaning Set (456 736).  Compact is used only in the house.

As I understand it, the Anti-Static hoses are somewhat more less flexible than the ordinary ones, but I don't have two of the same size to compare.

Even though I live in a very dry climate, I haven't had much trouble using the ordinary non-AS hose and plastic accessories for cleanup.

The metal tubes in the Workshop are probably more durable than the plastic in the Universal, though that hasn't been a problem for me.

If you're planning on getting a tool that would benefit from using a D36 hose, that might tip you toward the Universal because the hose is AS.

You're right, you will need additional nozzles if you buy the Workshop set.

Why not the Tradesmen set (454 766) ?  AS D36 hose and the nozzles you need, but the floor nozzle is plastic, not metal.  195 USD.

I assume that plastic tube sections could be attached to metal ones, since the crevice nozzle fits both.  This might be important because, when we are on cobweb patrol, I connect all 6 tube sections we've got together to reach the high parts.

HTH,
Ned
 
I bought the compact set early on. It does not include a hose so is truly compact and comes in a Sys 1. All the parts are lightweight but tough enough plastic. They do get staticy and dust does stick to the floor nozzle in particular but I have learned to clean them and wipe down with an laundry softener cloth and that helps tremendously.

I also bought the workshop cleaning kit and have used it maybe twice. It is too big and heavy to take to job sites and I already have the nozzle and tubes from a Fein vac so I rarely open the box. I guess comparing the piece-at-a-time prices is what persuaded me too buy the workshop kit at a time when I really only wanted a bigger hose, which I do use occasionally.
 
I have the universal set and use it a lot for cleaning at my shop, at off-site places, and sometimes even in our house.  I don't find that fact that the hose is not antistatic to be a problem.  I also use the larger hose with my routers (both my Festool 1400 and my table mounted Triton).  I am certainly getting good value from it.  :)
 
i went with the univ set to get the extra hose for cleaning the shop.  ps if you take the large connector off the 27[ that connect to the ct]  it will plug right into the 36 for the universal.  always use the larger hose first.
 
I have the workshop set + a couple nozzles.

LOVE IT! I haven't used a broom since I got it :)

Scott W.
 
The reason I eliminated the tradesman set originally was the nozzle included -- a carpet nozzle -- is not one I need or would use. I don't do site work, and don't even vacuum my own house.
 
pmkierst said:
The reason I eliminated the tradesman set originally was the nozzle included -- a carpet nozzle -- is not one I need or would use. I don't do site work, and don't even vacuum my own house.
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Fair enough.  Since you don't do site work, do you need a Systainer that will hold the hose?

If the answer's no, how about the Compact Cleaning Set (456 736, 68 USD) and an 11.5-foot D36 AS Hose (452 882, 123 USD), total 191 USD.  I think the Compact has the nozzles you want.  Check the printed catalog or the pdf for details.

I have two hoses, a D27 AS and a D36.  The one that isn't on the vac is hanging on the wall on a bracket from IKEA (3 USD) that also holds the assembled tubes and floor nozzle.  I now use the Sys 4 that my Universal kit came in to store manuals.

Ned
 
I love the floor sweep on the Workshop kit.  I will be using the Systainer 4 that came with the set for something else, but have a 4 drawer Sortainer on top of the CT w/hose garage (either original D27 or D36 that comes with this set will fit in garage) that houses the floor sweep along with several (less expensive) additional brushes, etc. --- oh, and even an extra pigtail for the end of the CT's cord.  And that's just what's in the big drawer...

If you want a nice floor sweep, then the Workshop kit is certainly nice.  I prefer the tubes with this kit over plastic ones, but this floor sweep is my favorite.  So, it all comes down to what you want to spend...  or, just how much does a top-rate floor sweep mean to you?
 
Ned Young said:
Fair enough.  Since you don't do site work, do you need a Systainer that will hold the hose?

If the answer's no, how about the Compact Cleaning Set (456 736, 68 USD) and an 11.5-foot D36 AS Hose (452 882, 123 USD), total 191 USD.  I think the Compact has the nozzles you want.
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Hmm, very good point. I like the systainers to keep things organized, but no way am I going to keep a frequently used hose in there;  putting it in and taking it out would aggravate me to no end. I could even defer getting a 36mm hose while I find out how well the 27mm works for my purposes.

The compact set seems listed as both 27mm and 36mm; am I to assume it works with both size hoses? Is it of reasonable quality and effectiveness?
 
pmkierst said:
The compact set seems listed as both 27mm and 36mm; am I to assume it works with both size hoses? Is it of reasonable quality and effectiveness?
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The Compact fits both.  D27 hose sticks further in the connection point.  The quality of the plastic parts is just fine if you're using it yourself.  The metal is obviously more durable, and obviously heavier.  You will eventually want to replace your crevice nozzle if you use it as I do.  I'm not there yet, but it is worn.

I could even defer getting a 36mm hose while I find out how well the 27mm works for my purposes.
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You could.  If you're just cleaning up dust, the D27 will be fine.  If it's more general garage cleaning, including things like leaves and small cutoffs, you'll want the D36.

Ned
 
Thanks! For the fairly minimal investment, I'll risk it on the compact set; just the rubber-lip nozzle, crevice and small brush will make it pay.

Many thanks for the help! And, surprisingly for anything I buy from Festool, spending less money. Well, until I buy another hose, more nozzles ... heh.
 
Just for info - I just bought the "454770 Set for Industrial use" to use with a big festool vac that is NAINA.  Whilst the big capacity (and relatively low price - something like $140 in Europe) is great - the tubes are plastic and don't hold together all that well.  I would advise against it if anyone out there was tempted.
I want to get the universal set but it costs nearly as much as a US CT mini over here!!
 
Interesting, Richard.  AFAIK, that's the first time anyone on FOG has posted a comment about the D50 parts.

Any other D50 experiences?

Ned
 
"NAINA - not available in North America?
AINA - available in North America?
Or what?
English please??
Larry"
I'm sorry - I didn't know what it meant till I joined this forum - I see someone else explained.

Re D50 hoses - I have a couple (excluding the short one supplied with the boom arm.)  Handy with the planer or for cleaning up.  I've never quite understood about the relationship between diameter, suction, velocity etc, but the CT33 and SRH45 vacs suck up more and faster with the 50 hose than the 36.  My hose with cable within clogs sometimes when used with the planer.
Richard
 
Ned Young said:
The Woodentop said:
NAINA - not available in North America?

AINA - available in North America?
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You've got it right.

Ned
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Well let's hope people from other countries don't start talking 'pigeon'. I may be new and I may detest acronyms and I suppose I'll have to put up with it, but it really gets to me when people assume others will 'get it'!

Sorry for the rant Ned.

Larry
 
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