Used SawStop...

[Iceclimber]

I need help with value. The seller told me to make him a offer. Imhave nomidea what it is worth used.

The saw is in ok condition. At the moment the mechanism that raises and lowers the blade is broken. It will be repaired with factory parts prior to sale. The rest of the saw is in great conditon with the acception of the top being covered in a mess of wax. The base looks pretty new below the layer of dust. It is the 5 horse industrial version. I cant even guess how old it is or is not but it looks just like the saw you would buy today if you purchasd it new.

Im not sure what length fence it comes with but do know it come with one and the extension side table. Pretty sure the dust collection option does not come with it.

My other convern is the saw drawing 19.6 amps. Is this going to be a problem on my 220 20 amp circuit i have available to plug into?

 

[sae]

What's the warranty situation? Anything left?

 

[Iceclimber]

I would have to say no warranty....

I really want the saw and could probably get the guy to hold it for quite some time for a small deposit.

On the other hand i am the type that just assume pay full price for a new tool all shiny with a warranty than save short money.

For instance people buying Domino Xl's for $200-300 less than new just makes no sense to me. Im not knocking people whom do its just not often the choice i'm willing to make. Now if that Domino was being sold for say $750 i would have to really consider it.

Im thinking $1500-2000 is the most I'm willing to pay. The fact is i could get a 3 horse industrial "plenty for me for the low 3's...

Do people think I'm far off on my price?

 

[Tyler Ernsberger]

I think that would be a good price.  My cabinet company that build our cabinets have two of them.  They said they work great.  They had some issues when they first got them and the blade safety would engage without anything touching the blade.  Saw Stop fixed the issue.  Hope you get it.  Good Luck!!!!

 

[Iceclimber]

I want to be fair to the seller. Not think he will just give it away. Its hard to figure the going used price though as i cant find a single one used online for sale. I can find plenty of new ones on Ebay but thats it!

I also found a contractors saw on Craigslist but thats kinda not comparable at all. It was also new so another layer non comparison..

 

[SittingElf]

If he would be willing to sell you the saw for your top price, you would be getting a steal...BIG TIME!

SawStops rarely show up on the used market, and the 5HP new prices are MUCH higher than $2000.  The SawStop saws are like Festool products. They really DO hold their value and used ones are in great demand. They go FAST!

As for your circuit breaker. If you bought the saw, I'd up your circuit to a 30amp, especially if you will have a DC on the same circuit.

You will LOVE the saw if you buy it. REALLY love it! [big grin]

Cheers,

Frank

 

[andvari]

I think a 30 amp breaker is pretty typical for a 5 HP motor.

 

[Iceclimber]

Hmm,

Well i only have two 220 lines i can tap into and they are both 20amps. One is my dryer and one is my microwave.

I plant to just leave a CT hooked up to it for now lugged into a separate 110 15amp breaker. I need to upgrade my electrical but its not happening right now.

I wonder will just the saw trip my 20amp breaker?

 

[oldie]

You seem keen - maybe just go for it; and sort electrics another time if needs be... [unsure]
Richard
(edit: to add a word)

 

[Iceclimber]

I kinda figured i would have a problem with a 5 horse motor and a 20 amp breaker.

Sorting out the electrical is kinda hard as i only have a 100 amp panel and its all been used with as big a sub panel added as it will allow.

May e just get rid of the microwave and free up 20amps of 220 i could add to the only other 220 line i have my dryer and have 40 amps for big tools in the shop.

I also have central air running on 220 i think but i cant really screw with that like i can a dryer or dedicated line to a microwave...

Regardless for the right price ill buy the saw and sort it out later. Bt whats the right price?

 

[oldie]

Yup - can see the price is a potential barrier.  Don't know that anyone can put a 'fair' value on it - only you know what you're will willing to go to...
One bargaining thought is: the seller has to do some work on it - so I'd be bearing in mind, that further 'fettling' might be needed, to bring it completely up to scratch for your complete satisfaction; and no warranty.  Agree with what SittingElf wrote. 
Richard.

 

[SittingElf]

One more thing....

The wax on the surface you mentioned is a STRONG positive...not a negative.  That cast iron will rust fast if not protected, and if the owner has kept it waxed, then the table is probably in great shape and he's cared for the saw properly.

Also, you probably won't be satisfied with any small vac for dust collection when using the saw. There is a LOT of wood to pull, and SawStop, like Festool, has some of the best dust collection capability on the market. 99% collected. It really IS amazing. You don't need a massive dust collector, but you will probably want something more (and definitely cheaper) than what Festool uses for DC. A 1.5HP Harbor Freight Dust Collector would work just fine. (4" DC port on the saw that you don't want to reduce yo a hose)

Cheers,

Frank

 

[oldie]

Good point about the wax protection + has gone to trouble of getting original factory parts; suggests he knows what he's on about.  Just read the original post - missed that includes extension side table: could be a really good buy; which as your research has demonstrated, doesn't come along very often at all. 
Richard.

 

[rizzoa13]

If there's a physical spot inside the panel to put a 2-pole 30 amp breaker then you could add it at any time. You don't need to replace another 220 source to add one, a new one just takes up 2 spots inside the panel.

That being said your electric situation doesn't really seem adequate for such a large machine and you would need to make sure other things are not running while you use the saw, ie if you were microwaving a hotdog to test in your saw stop while sitting in the air conditioning you'd be getting pretty close to your 100 amps right there 

So if your set on having the saw you can make it work with your current size electric service but in all honesty that 1500$ is way better spent upgrading to a 200 amp service.

 

[Harvey]

There’s been a couple (Industrials) on the market in Alberta recently at 70%  of new. Given that the saw could be 10 years old (ask the owner for the original bill of sale/ or maybe Sawstop customer service could tell you from the serial number), has probably had a hard life (given it is an ‘Industrial’ model and needs repair), I (personally) wouldn’t go more than 40-50% of new.     

 

[Iceclimber]

Thanks for the input guys.

I think i will make a offer this week and see how it goes.

As for dust collection and electricity well thats another story to sort out at another time. If i can get the saw for the right price now i might as well as i am going to pay what I pay for a electrical upgrade now or later. I may not find a used saw for the right price later.

Im also pretty sure i can trade some of my work/labor towards the cost of the saw bringing the out of pocket cash expense down on my end. T may be hard or impossible to find this deal again.

I guess the seller just purchased a sliding able saw and has two other regular industrial panel saws that suit his needs so this one is a luxury? 

 

[Birdhunter]

I own a Sawstop Industrial and would worry as to the blade adjustment trunnion mechanism being broken. It is a massive piece of steel and would be difficult to break.

If the saw stop cartridge is triggered, the blade is both stopped and dropped almost instantly below table level. The blade adjustment problem could be related to the cartridge being fired.

I'd call Sawstop and ask their opinion.

The mobile base and the blade guard dust extraction arm are both wonderful additions.

 

[upscale]

I own a Sawstop Industrial and would worry as to the blade adjustment trunnion mechanism being broken. It is a massive piece of steel and would be difficult to break.

I agree. The trunnion is an integral mechanism to a table saw. Whatever method that caused it to break is of paramount concern and needs to be well considered carefully before making a purchase.

 

[Iceclimber]

Great heads up guys.

So help me with the appropriate questions to ask and things to look for on the machine. Also maybe some of the things i don't want to hear.

I don't really know table saws but is the trunion the mechanism within the saw thT raises and lowers the blade? I don't really know what is wrong with the saw other than that it had a problem with the mechanism that raises and lowers the blade.

The story with the saw goes like this. I have a relative that owns or rather overseas a large old mill building. He himself rents space that he runs a exhibit shop out of. He actually does so for the wife of his original employer "also a cabinet shop" right out of trade school. This goes back like 35 years now. Anyway thats not important.

From time to time i end up over there to finish a project in the spray booth. I have been doing a project over the last few months that has had me back and forth quite a bit. I noticed a SawStop from day one just tucked away in the corner kinda in pieces. Well not in pieces it just does not have the fence or side table mounted or any of the hardware that the fence mounts to.

I asked around a bit and could not really get a straight answer as to who owned it or if it was for sale. All i was told was that the mechanism that raises and lowers the blade was not working properly.

Finally one day the owner just came out of the woodwork. Actually we just kinda happened into each other one day when i was spraying some stuff. We started chatting about work and the saw came up and he said it was his. I didn't really ask him what was wrong with it as i already knew what was wrong with it. I just asked him if he wanted to sell it and he said i guess. He also said he really did not care if he sold it or not but that selling it would not hurt as he was actually accepting deliver of used sliding table saw that same day.

Not sure if that info helps or not but its what i have. I know is i don't want to buy a 2k problem. I cant see the guy ripping me off as he has rented from my uncle for 5plus years and the group of carpenters that rent in this building are pretty close knit and all work together and off back and forth.

 

[Wooden Skye]

I would see if you could put it through its paces and also find out specifically what the issue is.  If it is the trunnion, I would call saw stop and find out what it costs for a replacement.  Then if the owner doesn't want to replace, factor that into your offer.