Using CMS-TS-55-R module in DIY workbench

[jberends]

Hi I am fairly new here (first post to be honest) and did some searching around for using the CMS Module plate for a TS55 build into your own workbench (purchased plans for the Ron Paulk workbench). This to be able to use the TS55 as a table saw and have 'best of both breeds'. However I couldn't find any topics.

I am about to purchase my TS55 and was wondering if I could combine the CMS plate into my DIY workbench (eg close to a lefthand corner). When combined with a CMS/MFT V-grove profile (partnr 472863 (long) and 472862 (short)) this would replicate the CMS with Groundunit (part 561566). At the moment I am looking at the the TS55 CMS module, but the idea is that it could be extended to a router CMS module as well.

I am looking for advice / video's / posts of others that might have attempted it. Maybe I am completely overestimating the need for a 'tablesaw' when I have the TS55 with guide rails.

This might influence if I purchase the CMS unit now with our without saw (and buy the guiderails later).

 

[hrrb]

Hi

[welcome] to FOG!

It is possible to implement the various CMS modules in your own workbench. I have seen some solutions here on FOG and I have made my own temporary solution. I'm going to change it when I'm going to build my own workbench but until now my homemade CMS station works just fine.

If you click here you can see what my cheap simple solution looks like (scroll down).

Kind regards
Henrik

 

[jberends]

Hi Henrik. Thanks for the welcome.

This is indeed what I need. Thanks for the detailed pictures in your second post! This convinces me to just get the CMS unit. Now have to find a spot in the workbench design to put it in.

 

[mouppe]

My router table has a CMS router module in it. I adapted an MFT800 to hold the plate about three years ago.

There is a thread on various CMS tables here, including a description of how I made mine.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/cms-modules/

 

[jberends]

Also a great link @RL. Thanks.

 

[AlexThePalex]

Hi I am fairly new here (first post to be honest) and did some searching around for using the CMS Module plate for a TS55 build into your own workbench (purchased plans for the Ron Paulk workbench). This to be able to use the TS55 as a table saw and have 'best of both breeds'. However I couldn't find any topics.

Hi jberends, welcome to the forum. You will not find any topics about table saw mods on this forum. This is an American forum and while it is apparently OK to do anything with DIY router tables over there, DIY table saws are kind of a taboo due to liabilty issues.

I made my own table saw with a circlar saw long ago, so it is perfectly doable to make one, and using a Festool CMS module only makes it easier. You can even buy separate MFT profiles so you can use the Festool CS 70 WA angled unit as a fence.

 

[roblg3]

Im in the usa and i'm wondering what are all the available modules for the cms?

 

[peter halle]

Overseas you can get for the TS models, the jig saws, routers, and belt sander I believe.  Plates are model # defendant.  Uk site is easiest for English speaking to navigate.  Here, none.  The router plate is not offered as an accessory  - only as part of complete table unless you want to assemble parts thru ekat possibly.

Peter

 

[roblg3]

As always....you're a wealth of info Peter!  [wink] Thanks buddy

 

[wow]

So all of this talk has me wondering - which CMS model(s) accept the various (NAINA) tool 'plates' like the one for the jig saw?

 

[hrrb]

So all of this talk has me wondering - which CMS model(s) accept the various (NAINA) tool 'plates' like the one for the jig saw?

I'd say that all of the different 'CMS tool plates' can be mounted in both the CMS table and in the CMS-VL.

I own the CMS-OF, CMS-TS and the CMS jigsaw tool plates. I don't own the CMS belt sander.
But they all have the same size and in Europe it's advertised as a complete system where you can swap all the different 'tool plates' into both the CMS table and into the CMS-VL.

Kind regards
Henrik

 

[wow]

So all of this talk has me wondering - which CMS model(s) accept the various (NAINA) tool 'plates' like the one for the jig saw?

I'd say that all of the different 'CMS tool plates' can be mounted in both the CMS table and in the CMS-VL.

I own the CMS-OF, CMS-TS and the CMS jigsaw tool plates. I don't own the CMS belt sander.
But they all have the same size and in Europe it's advertised as a complete system where you can swap all the different 'tool plates' into both the CMS table and into the CMS-VL.

Kind regards
Henrik

Is the CMS table what is called the CMS-GE here in the USA?

 

[AlexThePalex]

Is the CMS table what is called the CMS-GE here in the USA?

Looks like Festool USA isn't following the general naming convention again.

CMS-GE is just the basic table unit, without any modules.

https://www.festool.com/Products/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?pid=561228&name=Basic-unit-CMS-GE

 

[GarryMartin]

Is the CMS table what is called the CMS-GE here in the USA?

Yes.

As Alex points out though, it's called the CMS-GE correctly in the rest of the world (i.e. the bare table) but the words get used in the US to describe various sets including the OF 1400 in the US.

 

[peter halle]

When Festool USA decided to bring the CMS's into the NA market they had plenty of comments from observers and also users in some of the classes. The decision was made then to bring special combos versus including the router plates and also what they felt would be the best combo based on the information received from the comments as well as other Festool data.

Euro has to buy their CMS's ala carte and the costs end up greater.

Peter

 

[GarryMartin]

Euro has to buy their CMS's ala carte and the costs end up greater.

There are some kits available in Europe, but they were discontinued from some countries inventories for some reason. I almost bought the TF 1400 set; pondered it for a long time then when I went to hit the button, discontinued in the UK! Never mind, have a full complement of CMS bits now...  [wink]

https://www.festool.de/produkte/Pages/produktdetailansicht.aspx?pid=570269&name=tischfraese-tf-1400-set

https://www.festool.de/Produkte/Pages/Produktdetailansicht.aspx?pid=570275&name=Tischfraese-TF-2200-Set

 

[AlexThePalex]

Euro has to buy their CMS's ala carte and the costs end up greater.

We don't HAVE to, we can. Options. As Garry pointed out, we can also buy full kits.

The cost here is always greater, that's true.

But that's irrelevant to the name CMS-GE. Festool USA could have called their kit CMS-TF like in Europe, but they constantly choose names that are used for other kits in Europe, adding to confusion, and I think mostly for their own American customers. They google stuff and get different results under the same name. Because on the net the world suddenly isn't so big anymore.

I think it would really help everybody if Festool USA just stuck to the same names for packages.

 

[jberends]

There is a festool CMS microsite available on http://www.festoolcms.com/. It seems to be targetted towards the USA public.

As I made "the sheet"; you know the one you make before purchasing tools to compare options between retailers. (sorry for being an engineer) I can share with you some of my research.

These are options available in The Netherlands incl and excl value added taxes.

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The final option I went for is.

[list type=decimal]
[*]TS 55 REBQ incl 2 FS 1400/2 rails (491498), 2 connectors (482107) in one set (561580H)
[*]Extra 28 tooth Saw, 160x2.2x20 W28 (496302)
[*]Fast clamps DS-HZ160 (x2) (491594)
[*]CMS-TS-55-R No saw with angle stop in set (570281)
[*]Ron Paulk Total Station (modified, no Kapex) via his plans
[/list]

I am going to modify the total station to leave out the kapex stand and convert it more to the 32 mm grid system. Here a snap from the early phases of design.

I like the way our fellow FOG member hrrb presented in the tread he pointed towards here: here with detailed pictures to address the 'lip' in the CMS plates and his solution he showed here: here Thanks for that.

I also like the solution by RL presented in here. It is very straightforward on the 'lip handling'.

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[Brent Taylor]

I realize that the US has more issue with the CMS 's, but back in the '80's I had an 8" Makita table saw and it was set-up with jigsaw and router mounts, I used my 3 hp router in it for years, It was a great kit for trim work. I did use the jigsaw, but with the "U" shank blades it was more of a PIA, later the man I worked with got a Boash with a "T" shank and it worked great. I still use the top, but the saw went for a ride down the road at 65 MPH. Thank God for helper and those pesky tailgates that are so hard to shut. [sad]. I still thank about buying one of Ebay, but 4 table saws maybe overkill. B