Vac-sys vacuum clamping set

[Radd40]

Does anyone know why the old style systainer is being used for the soon to be released in the USA vac-sys clamping set?

 

[copcarcollector]

Same worldwide from what I have read. Why exactly though... Don't know

 

[tjbnwi]

I believe the shape of the base dictates it goes in a Classic Sys.

Tom

 

[Cheese]

[member=57769]TylerC[/member],
In an earlier post, stated that because the old style vacuum pump was only approved for sale in a regular Systainer, it was decided that all ancillary items would also be packaged in regular Systainers which would help in the bundling, connecting and transportation of said items.

Makes sense to me...however when I receive mine within the next week, I will modify a T-Loc so that it's easy to integrate with the other Systainers I own. 

 

[grbmds]

[member=57769]TylerC[/member],
In an earlier post, stated that because the old style vacuum pump was only approved for sale in a regular Systainer, it was decided that all ancillary items would also be packaged in regular Systainers which would help in the bundling, connecting and transportation of said items.

Makes sense to me...however when I receive mine within the next week, I will modify a T-Loc so that it's easy to integrate with the other Systainers I own.

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] If you don't mind my asking, how do you modify the T-Loc "to integrate with the other Systainers". A little off-topic, I admit, but I most likely will get the VacSys and also have 2 other Classic Systainers.

 

[jimbo51]

Someone in another thread said you can modify the insert to fit in a T loc.

I would think that the folks at Tanos would be lobbying for Festool to get the pump in a T loc approved. It is inefficient to keep the old style in production at low levels. Unless of course they made  few thousand and re just using them up. 

I would like to know about using the very narrow insert with a Domino. I played with the narrow insert at the woodworking show. While it gripped the wood well, the wood seemed a bit more wobbly. I thought maybe the skirt was not being compressed as much as with the other inserts due to the smaller area for the vacuum to work on.

 

[Cheese]

If you don't mind my asking, how do you modify the T-Loc "to integrate with the other Systainers".

Sorry, that's probably a misleading statement on my part. What I meant to say is that all of the original style Systainers I own, have been relegated to the "stuff" holding function. While all of the T-Loc Systainers I own, have been relegated to the "tool or accessories" holding function.

This allows me to quickly find either the tool I need or the parts I need based on the style of the Systainer. 

Once I receive the Vac Sys head, I'll either modify the insert to fit a T-Loc Systainer or modify the T-Loc Systainer to fit the insert whichever is easier. That way all tools will be in T-Locs while all construction parts will be in the original style Systainers. 

I would have loved for the new Vac Sys items to be delivered in T-Locks, but when TylerC explained the reasoning from a corporate standpoint, I completely understood their reasoning.

 

[nclemmons]

I posted this on another thread. 

I tried the Vac Sys 1 insert in a T-loc this week at a dealer.  Fits fine but could use slight trimming in two places with a razor knife.  I did not think to see if the Vac Sys clamp will fit in the T-loc, but I believe it will. 

The pump will fit in a Sys 4 according to Festool.

 

[Cheese]

I tried the Vac Sys 1 insert in a T-loc this week at a dealer.  Fits fine but could use slight trimming in two places with a razor knife.

I've done this on a number of occasions, and if I remember correctly it was some minor interference with the rear strengthening ribs on the Systainer and/or interference with the front strengthening ribs on the Systainer and the insert that needed to be adjusted properly. It takes 10 seconds if you're a butcher or 15 minutes if you're a perfectionist.  [cool]

 

[Cheese]

I would think that the folks at Tanos would be lobbying for Festool to get the pump in a T loc approved. It is inefficient to keep the old style in production at low levels. Unless of course they made few thousand and re just using them up. 

My take on this is that it is a regulatory thing, which can typically incur costs of $50K-75K or more. There are a lot of hoops to jump through and each hoop costs $$.

Remember, this Vac Sys tool has been released worldwide and it's only the US & Canada that have been late to the party.

Thus, the cheapest solution moving forward, is to release a stand alone vacuum pump that's not contained in a potentially flammable(?) container and is still UL approved. This would mean that the current packaging for the rest of the items and accessories for the Vac Sys around the world would still be a viable solution.

It may not be optimal from a NA viewpoint, however it will be well received in NA and may well be the turning point in this whole foolish NAINA philosophy.

 

[TylerC]

In other countries, it's being delivered in the Classic Systainer. (To be honest, I'm not 100% sure why, but it likely has to do with European regulations.) For the sake of consistency and to simplify the manufacturing, packaging and shipping processes, it makes sense to do the same.

 

[kevin clifford]

Can this vacuum pump also be used to pump a vacuum bag press ? Vacuum pumps are almost a grand, if this will work with a vacuum bag it makes it much more appealing to me.

 

[grbmds]

I've been told that it should work just fine with a vacuum bag; no reason why it shouldn't. However, you would have to work out the connection from the hose to the bag, which I'm sure isn't really all the big of a deal. I would assume that those connections are available. Festool just doesn't sell it with the veneering/lamination as one of its stated uses so doesn't supply those parts.

To be sure, you'd have to consult an "expert" concerning the pump specs required to be used with a vacuum bag.

 

[tjbnwi]

Can this vacuum pump also be used to pump a vacuum bag press ? Vacuum pumps are almost a grand, if this will work with a vacuum bag it makes it much more appealing to me.

TylerC stated in another thread that the pump can be used with a bag.

Tom

 

[TylerC]

Can this vacuum pump also be used to pump a vacuum bag press ? Vacuum pumps are almost a grand, if this will work with a vacuum bag it makes it much more appealing to me.

Yes, it will work with a vacuum bag.