Vecturo 18V in stores now!

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The bad news is, it will only take the most expensive blades Starlock Max...

Is this correct? My understanding was that a Starlock Max tool (such as the OSC) could take Max, Plus and Starlock blades.

e.g. Three accessories listed against the OSC are Starlock, Starlock Plus and Starlock MAX respectively...https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/203333---hsb-5035josc5https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/203332---hsb-5065josc5https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/203336---usb-7842biosc5

It's not correct. The Vecturo is a Starlock Max.

What I read is that Starlock is downwards compatible, meaning:

• Starlock Max can hold: Max, Plus and normal Starlock blades
• Starlock Plus can hold: Plus and normal blades
• Starlock can only hold the normal Starlock Blades

Lets sum it up:

• The Vecturo is in the same price range as the FEIN.
• Since it essential a FEIN supercut (cordless), vibration are probably very similar to the supercut.
• If you buy into Starlock, than thats a "problem" for any brand you buy a multi tool from, price wise.
• The blades should interchangeable between all machines supporting Starlock.
• The lever is apparently some type of plastic. Some people assume it's under par for the price-point. We will see. FT has good service, so if it breaks, they have to fix it. If they need to fix every machine, because of a design flaw, I'm sure a new lever will be made available.
• Even the basic version comes in a Systainer, so thats reflected in the price.

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

Starlock Max machines, will only take Starlock Max blades. If you contact Fein or Bosch they will confirm this.

The Starlock Max fitting was designed as I mentioned, to cope with the extra power of the Supercut, Bosch GOP Pro, and now the new Vecturo.

The New Vecturo, is Starlock Max fitting, and only Starlock Max blades can be used, and they are very expensive. For an ocassional user possibly not too much of a problem but, not sure why an ocassional user would need such a powerful machine?
This is why Fein did a range of multi tools, not just the Supercut.

 

[threesixright]

Starlock Max machines, will only take Starlock Max blades. If you contact Fein or Bosch they will confirm this.

LOL the confusion continues

Do you have a link to this? I'm pretty sure this is not the case (based on what I read). Also when you have a good lock at the 3 shapes, it looks like a plus will fit a max, but not vice versa. Also it would make no sense to me why on earth you design a system like this, where a the stronger machine can not take the 'lighter' blades, despite having speed control.

I'm getting more and more curious!

My sources:https://www.task-tools.com/media/wysiwyg/Articles-and-Docs/BK002-Starlock_Guide_ENG_web.pdf

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

The bad news is, it will only take the most expensive blades Starlock Max...

Is this correct? My understanding was that a Starlock Max tool (such as the OSC) could take Max, Plus and Starlock blades.

e.g. Three accessories listed against the OSC are Starlock, Starlock Plus and Starlock MAX respectively...https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/203333---hsb-5035josc5https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/203332---hsb-5065josc5https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/203336---usb-7842biosc5

It seems the Festool website is wrong, that was why I thought the Vecturo 18 was Starlock Plus.
Everywhere else I see the fitment stated as Starlock Max, which what I was initially told.

If you own a Starlock Max machine, you can only use Starlock Max blades, nothing else will physically fit, this is from a safety design.

If you look at the three Starlock fitments side by side, it makes perfect sense.

 

[threesixright]

The bad news is, it will only take the most expensive blades Starlock Max...

Is this correct? My understanding was that a Starlock Max tool (such as the OSC) could take Max, Plus and Starlock blades.

e.g. Three accessories listed against the OSC are Starlock, Starlock Plus and Starlock MAX respectively...https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/203333---hsb-5035josc5https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/203332---hsb-5065josc5https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/203336---usb-7842biosc5

If you own a Starlock Max machine, you can only use Starlock Max blades, nothing else will physically fit, this is from a safety design.

Are you saying Bosch also states this wrongly in their catalog? Hard to believe ... [unsure]

Maybe the confusion is about non Starlock compatibility?

Starlock, itself, is downwards compatible.

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[Jiggy Joiner]

Starlock Max machines, will only take Starlock Max blades. If you contact Fein or Bosch they will confirm this.

LOL the confusion continues

Do you have a link to this? I'm pretty sure this is not the case (based on what I read). Also when you have a good lock at the 3 shapes, it looks like a plus will fit a max, but not vice versa. Also it would make no sense to me why on earth you design a system like this, where a the stronger machine can not take the 'lighter' blades, despite having speed control.

I'm getting more and more curious!

My sources:https://www.task-tools.com/media/wysiwyg/Articles-and-Docs/BK002-Starlock_Guide_ENG_web.pdf

If you read various explanations, they are worded in a certain way that does confuse many. I have read a few times where somebody buys a multi tool, thinking that with an adaptor, they can use an array of blade options. Then they realise it’snot the case.

I think the thing that confuses many is, you can buy adaptors, to aid the fitting of certain blades to certain machines. All of my older Supercuts have the older type Supercut fitment, this was also like Starlock Max very expensive but, and it is a big but, they gave you an adaptor so that regular multi tool blades could be used.
This was great for people like me, that have multiple machines for multiple uses. I bought blades in bulk and had a choice.

The later Supercut, and Bosch GOP pro, and newly launched Vecturo 18, all have the Starlock Max fitting.
This means, you have to use Starlock Max blades, nothing else will fit, and only Fein and Bosch make these blades under patent.
You can, with an adaptor use Starlock Max blades on some other machines. I think this is what confuses people?

If you are a long time multi tool user, and pick up an 18 volt Supercut for the first time, you will be amazed at the mains tool matching power that it puts out. It really is a very powerful machine.
This apparently is why they made the latest model Starlock Max, as such a powerful tool, needs a safe and secure fitment. I totally get that, safety first etc.

The problem is, only Fein and Bosch, and now recently Festool use this fitment. So there is no choice when buying blades, it’s Fein or Bosch or nothing.

If all the other manufacturers used this standard, perhaps then the patent would be lifted, allowing after market, and other brands to offer blades. As it stands now though, they’ve cornered the market. If I ever see older type Supercuts for sale in good condition, I usually try and buy them, as they get snapped up quickly because of the blade system.

 

[threesixright]

The later Supercut, and Bosch GOP pro, and newly launched Vecturo 18, all have the Starlock Max fitting.
This means, you have to use Starlock Max blades, nothing else will fit, and only Fein and Bosch make these blades under patent.
You can, with an adaptor use Starlock Max blades on some other machines. I think this is what confuses people?

Can you have a look at the image I uploaded?  The matrix clearly states it is compatible.

I agree there is lot of confusion, but you are not truly helping, claiming the opposite of what the vendors themselves claim.

 

[GavsterUK]

Guys, I can confirm that Starlock max is definitely downwards compatible with Starlock Plus and Starlock .
I have tested myself on our machines here.

Also backed up by Fein themselves:

"StarlockMax tool mounting with outstanding torque transfer, suitable for all Starlock, StarlockPlus and StarlockMax accessories"https://fein.com/en_uk/oscillating-multi-tool/supercut-construction/afsc-18-0341576/

Hope this helps?

 

[threesixright]

Guys, I can confirm that Starlock max is definitely downwards compatible with Starlock Plus and Starlock .
I have tested myself on our machines here.

Also backed up by Fein themselves:

"StarlockMax tool mounting with outstanding torque transfer, suitable for all Starlock, StarlockPlus and StarlockMax accessories"https://fein.com/en_uk/oscillating-multi-tool/supercut-construction/afsc-18-0341576/

Hope this helps?

Thank you! I just came of the phone with Festool (Holland). They didn't know themselves (seem to think there is only one type of blade  [eek]) but they will look into it. I also kindly asked them to update this information, since its extremely confusing. On top this is not brand specific issue. But a Starlock problem.

Maybe you could shoot a few pictures, so the peeps here believe it?

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

The later Supercut, and Bosch GOP pro, and newly launched Vecturo 18, all have the Starlock Max fitting.
This means, you have to use Starlock Max blades, nothing else will fit, and only Fein and Bosch make these blades under patent.
You can, with an adaptor use Starlock Max blades on some other machines. I think this is what confuses people?

Can you have a look at the image I uploaded?  The matrix clearly states it is compatible.

I agree there is lot of confusion, but you are not truly helping, claiming the opposite of what the vendors themselves claim.

Apologies, yesterday I spoke to a couple of tool shops, most said that Starlock Max will on take Starlock Max blades. Another shop told me originally this was the case with the prototype but, before being launched there was a design change. So after reading and taking part in todays posts, I decided to call Fein UK and Bosch UK.

Both companies confirmed, although one had to call me back, that the Starlock Max fitting will take Starlock and Starlock Plus but, advised that the power setting should be lowered if not using Max blades.

All of the machines will only take Fein or Bosch Starlock blades though. No older type will fit any of the machines.

So, I am sorry for any confusion I may have caused, I genuinely posted on the info I had been previously given.
I’m off to have another look at the Vecturo  [tongue]

 

[threesixright]

The later Supercut, and Bosch GOP pro, and newly launched Vecturo 18, all have the Starlock Max fitting.
This means, you have to use Starlock Max blades, nothing else will fit, and only Fein and Bosch make these blades under patent.
You can, with an adaptor use Starlock Max blades on some other machines. I think this is what confuses people?

Can you have a look at the image I uploaded?  The matrix clearly states it is compatible.

I agree there is lot of confusion, but you are not truly helping, claiming the opposite of what the vendors themselves claim.

So, I am sorry for any confusion I may have caused, I genuinely posted on the info I had been previously given.
I’m off to have another look at the Vecturo  [tongue]

No problem! Happy we solved it. 8)

And wetter you go with FT or not, that doesn't matter. I was adamant because I do understand people 'ditching this' if it was not compatible. IMO for wrong reasons.

So let us know what you do!  [tongue]

 

[GavsterUK]

Guys, I can confirm that Starlock max is definitely downwards compatible with Starlock Plus and Starlock .
I have tested myself on our machines here.

Also backed up by Fein themselves:

"StarlockMax tool mounting with outstanding torque transfer, suitable for all Starlock, StarlockPlus and StarlockMax accessories"https://fein.com/en_uk/oscillating-multi-tool/supercut-construction/afsc-18-0341576/

Hope this helps?

Thank you! I just came of the phone with Festool (Holland). They didn't know them selves (seem to think there is only one type of blade  [eek]) but they will look into it. I also kindly asked them to update this information, since its extremely confusing. On top this is not brand specific issue. But a Starlock problem.

Maybe you could shoot a few pictures, so the peeps here believe it?

Glad I could help!
We've been a Fein Dealer since they launched Oscillating tools in the UK....so hopefully we should have learnt a thing or two!
Embarrassing how some manufacturers don't know their own products? Guess that's the difference who get out and uses the tools and those that don't.. [big grin]

But Regarding the new Cordless Vecturo we really like it and see it as being pretty successful, Honestly the Starlock mount is brilliant and the fact its part of the 18V ecosystem is great!

 

[threesixright]

Guys, I can confirm that Starlock max is definitely downwards compatible with Starlock Plus and Starlock .
I have tested myself on our machines here.

Also backed up by Fein themselves:

"StarlockMax tool mounting with outstanding torque transfer, suitable for all Starlock, StarlockPlus and StarlockMax accessories"https://fein.com/en_uk/oscillating-multi-tool/supercut-construction/afsc-18-0341576/

Hope this helps?

Thank you! I just came of the phone with Festool (Holland). They didn't know them selves (seem to think there is only one type of blade  [eek]) but they will look into it. I also kindly asked them to update this information, since its extremely confusing. On top this is not brand specific issue. But a Starlock problem.

Maybe you could shoot a few pictures, so the peeps here believe it?

Embarrassing how some manufacturers don't know their own products? Guess that's the difference who get out and uses the tools and those that don't.. [big grin]

It's stagering. Not unimportant you would think. Why FT (or others) don't show this (clearly great) feature in their product videos? They are basically all responsible for the confusion. And the naming of the 'basic' blade, which they is called just 'Starlock' (instead of Starlock Basic) is also not the brightest plan (IMHO).

 

[GavsterUK]

OK just thought I'd share a few pics since I was having a play. [big grin]
Oh and that's the new Symentric in the background! 8)

 

[threesixright]

[emoji23] FEIN even has a sticker that shows which blades are supported. Something festool should gave done as well.

Thanks for the pics. [emoji106]

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

OK just thought I'd share a few pics since I was having a play. [big grin]
Oh and that's the new Symentric in the background! 8)

Thank you very much for the help and information, I’ll know who to ask next time  [thumbs up]

I have never owned any Fein tools apart from a good few Supercuts, all of them 18 volt, as when we’re mobile doing site work, we have been changing over to nearly everything cordless, including our miter saws.
The only problem for me with any cordless, was with early Makita multi tools, and then the Supercuts with over heating melting issues I mentioned in earlier posts.

Do you know if this has been eradicated with the later Starlock Supercuts? I dont expect you to tell me of any issues for obvious reasons, and neither to dress anything up. I just need to know that they are durable now, without previous issues.

If they all good now, the Vecturo will almost certainly be also, and I’d seriously consider buying one or two of them.

I have asked many dealers, and as I expected, most said they never knew of a previous issue, I did though, and so did Fein as they admitted to me verbally, and also somewhere in email exchanges.

I’m a working man, who buys a lot of tools mainly for the purpose of my business, and I just need a bit of a faith and confidence boost every so often when buying new tools, and lately it’s hard to come by.

Thanks again for the info, much apreciatted.

 

[GavsterUK]

Hi, yes call us anytime always happy to help, even better consider us for your next purchase... ;D

As far as we are aware it should be sorted and they have certainly added the small shock absorber pad to help reduce battery rattle.

BUT i can confirm that Fein say its now one of their most popular tools...

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

Hi, yes call us anytime always happy to help, even better consider us for your next purchase... ;D

As far as we are aware it should be sorted and they have certainly added the small shock absorber pad to help reduce battery rattle.

BUT i can confirm that Fein say its now one of their most popular tools...

Thank you very much, and yes I will consider you for future purchases  [thumbs up]