Video of new tl15 impact driver

[jmbfestool]

I was going to buy one BUT I did have my doubts and wanted to try it out before I bought one! An now reading the above statement I am deffos going to try before buy and ill be bringing some wood and screws with me to test on lol!

....... No I wont buy one now! I was thinking I should wait any way  as they properly bring out a 18v Version and the 15v version properly have a few faults like my T15 had so I am deffos going to wait a while!    I bought the T15 when it was released and have had it repaired/replaced many times and I bought the Carvex when it was released and that needs sending back soooo  I think ill wait let others be the test dummies this time!

JMB

 

[fritter63]

I bought the T15 when it was released and have had it repaired/replaced many times and I bought the Carvex when it was released and that needs sending back soooo  I think ill wait let others be the test dummies this time!

I used to work for a company that had an office in Germany and we also had a V.P. (and a CEO for that matter) that was German. At one presentation, he commented on why the Japanese made better cars than Germans due a basic philosophy difference: The Japanese believed in thoroughly testing their product before release, but the Germans believed letting the customers do that part....

Disclaimer: the above statement is a generalization made as the opinion of a single individual and does not necessarily reflect my experience or opinion of Festool.  [big grin]

Disclaimer II: German beer is much better than Japanese beer  - that IS my opinion.

 

[Ken Nagrod]

...what about American beer?
...or German beer that used to be American -- Anheuser Busch

 

[fritter63]

...what about American beer?
...or German beer that used to be American -- Anheiser Busch

Well, I'm a bit of a beer snob, can't stand that yellow stuff.

What I drink is Fat Tire Amber Ale (New Belgium Brewing) . The one I found that's close in Germany was Duckstein , and I have to
say it was a little better (and more kick!) than Fat Tire.

 

[Alan m]

my local dealer told me that he isnt going to get one in as he feels noone will buy it.

 

[tjbnwi]

i bought a ti15 today and tried it out on some basic driving and drilling.
it drives screws a bit slow, but it can handle incredibly big ones without predrilling in impact mode.
drilling in impact mode is not a problem at all, like heiko said, it is fair enough, although VERY loud at around 93db.

what really disappointed me, though:
in non-impact mode (for noise-reductions sake) it does not drive a 5x50 screw without predrilling in pine. it even had difficulties with a 4x20.
i consider that pretty standard, since the c15 is up to WAY bigger screws no problem.

from a technical point of view: why does the ti 15 lack torque so hard in non-impact mode? i hoped that it would be comparable to a non-impact 15 volt driver. it sure isnt though. thats what heikos forstner bit drilling clearly shows as well: when drilling a bigger diameter hole, the lack of torque makes it a very slow task, relying only on the higher rpm (thats what it says in the video, too).

i will give it another shot should i have done any major stupidities, but i think, the ti 15 is just not my cup of tea. i do not consider it as all-round as it is being promoted.

I believe that the reason the Ti15 does not have the torque to set the larger screws in drill mode is the lack of a 2 speed gear box. As I see it in the videos you can not go from high speed low torque to high torque low speed. The impact mechanism appears to have replaced the 2 speed gear box.

It may be more cumbersome to switch to impact mode than shift the gear box, but it will set the screws sizes you list. I don't think there would have been enough room to fit the impact mechanism and the gear box, without making a very bulky unit.

Tom

 

[jmbfestool]

i bought a ti15 today and tried it out on some basic driving and drilling.
it drives screws a bit slow, but it can handle incredibly big ones without predrilling in impact mode.
drilling in impact mode is not a problem at all, like heiko said, it is fair enough, although VERY loud at around 93db.

what really disappointed me, though:
in non-impact mode (for noise-reductions sake) it does not drive a 5x50 screw without predrilling in pine. it even had difficulties with a 4x20.
i consider that pretty standard, since the c15 is up to WAY bigger screws no problem.

from a technical point of view: why does the ti 15 lack torque so hard in non-impact mode? i hoped that it would be comparable to a non-impact 15 volt driver. it sure isnt though. thats what heikos forstner bit drilling clearly shows as well: when drilling a bigger diameter hole, the lack of torque makes it a very slow task, relying only on the higher rpm (thats what it says in the video, too).

i will give it another shot should i have done any major stupidities, but i think, the ti 15 is just not my cup of tea. i do not consider it as all-round as it is being promoted.

I believe that the reason the Ti15 does not have the torque to set the larger screws in drill mode is the lack of a 2 speed gear box. As I see it in the videos you can not go from high speed low torque to high torque low speed. The impact mechanism appears to have replaced the 2 speed gear box.

It may be more cumbersome to switch to impact mode than shift the gear box, but it will set the screws sizes you list. I don't think there would have been enough room to fit the impact mechanism and the gear box, without making a very bulky unit.

Tom

Well I know what your are saying BUT BUT my T15 will drive 100mm screws in 2nd gear fine and from comments above it seems to struggle with 40mm now if a drill cant do 40mm in a permenant 2nd gear fixed gearing then da to me is a lack of power

 

[Deansocial]

I bought the T15 when it was released and have had it repaired/replaced many times and I bought the Carvex when it was released and that needs sending back soooo  I think ill wait let others be the test dummies this time!

I used to work for a company that had an office in Germany and we also had a V.P. (and a CEO for that matter) that was German. At one presentation, he commented on why the Japanese made better cars than Germans due a basic philosophy difference: The Japanese believed in thoroughly testing their product before release, but the Germans believed letting the customers do that part....

Disclaimer: the above statement is a generalization made as the opinion of a single individual and does not necessarily reflect my experience or opinion of Festool.  [big grin]

Disclaimer II: German beer is much better than Japanese beer  - that IS my opinion.

maybe they adopt the japanese philosophy of thorouh testing

 

[yankee]

bosch makes a combo drill impact driver now. makita used to i think. i think the makita was a fail. don't know about the bosh though

http://www.cpotools.com/bosch-26618-01-18v-cordless-lithium-ion-impact-drill-driver/bshn26618-01,default,pd.html?start=2&cgid=bosch-cordless-drills

 

[jmbfestool]

bosch makes a combo drill impact driver now. makita used to i think. i think the makita was a fail. don't know about the bosh though

http://www.cpotools.com/bosch-26618-01-18v-cordless-lithium-ion-impact-drill-driver/bshn26618-01,default,pd.html?start=2&cgid=bosch-cordless-drills

Funny how bosch have managed to make one with no adapter required to turn the impact off! Which to me is ALOT better!   I wish festool made it so you could switch if off!  

I know how the impact works and always thought it cant be that hard to make a switch to lock the impact bit inside to stop it impacting and  Bosch have managed it so why has festool not? The adapter is something which really puts me of the drill!   1. add weight 2. adds weight to the front 3. makes the drill looooonger 4. makes it ugly! 5. another thing to loose and need to carry with you! 6. slower than just flicking a switch over!

JMB

 

[fritter63]

My 5 year old Bosch driver/impact lets you switch by just twisting the chuck. It is massive though, bet it weighs 5 lbs.

Correction:
Bosch drill/driver

7.8 pounds, (and this is a newer model than mine)

 

[yankee]

My 5 year old Bosch driver/impact lets you switch by just twisting the chuck. It is massive though, bet it weighs 5 lbs.

Correction:
Bosch drill/driver

7.8 pounds, (and this is a newer model than mine)

that is a hammer drill/ drill. not an impact driver

 

[fritter63]

My 5 year old Bosch driver/impact lets you switch by just twisting the chuck. It is massive though, bet it weighs 5 lbs.

Correction:
Bosch drill/driver

7.8 pounds, (and this is a newer model than mine)

that is a hammer drill/ drill. not an impact driver

Thought hammer was synonymous with impact?

 

[jmbfestool]

My 5 year old Bosch driver/impact lets you switch by just twisting the chuck. It is massive though, bet it weighs 5 lbs.

Correction:
Bosch drill/driver

7.8 pounds, (and this is a newer model than mine)

that is a hammer drill/ drill. not an impact driver

Thought hammer was synonymous with impact?

They are not the same!    A hammer function on a drill  actually hits the shaft forwards all the time like a hammer would on a chisel!  BUT an impact never actually hits it forward but more like just creates a vibration through the shaft more like a hammer hitting the side on the chisel.  So when the tension on the spring inside the impact gets to high it releases then it hits the shaft and it starts again unless the force acting against the drill isnt enough then nothing will happen.  Like when you drive a 35mm screw in softwood often you can drive the screw into the wood and the impact never actually kicks in as their wasn't enough force against to tension the spring inside the impact a  hammer drill has no spring.

JMB

 

[Deansocial]

impact drivers hammer in a rotary direction

 

[fritter63]

They are not the same!    A hammer function on a drill  actually hits the shaft forwards all the time like a hammer would on a chisel!  BUT an impact never actually hits it forward but more like just creates a vibration through the shaft more like a hammer hitting the side on the chisel.  So when the tension on the spring inside the impact gets to high it releases then it hits the shaft and it starts again unless the force acting against the drill isnt enough then nothing will happen.  Like when you drive a 35mm screw in softwood often you can drive the screw into the wood and the impact never actually kicks in as their wasn't enough force against to tension the spring inside the impact a  hammer drill has no spring.

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[Michael_MA]

Here is a nice video from the german festool site, which shows in an animation how the TI15 impact works:

at 0:26 the animation starts:
[flash=200,200]http://www.youtube.com/user/festool?blend=7&ob=5#p/u/0/gbOtxIg6ZtY[/flash]

kind regards, Mike

 

[yankee]

bosch video  

i have the plain bosch impact and have been very happy with it, 18 volts. They keep adding great tools to that same battery line. New 16 gauge cordless nailer out now too that uses the same battery i might have to try out.

i love all my festoons that i have. but as far as drills go i feel they are a waste of money, plenty of other drills out there just as good for far less money.

 

[honeydoman]

bosch video  

i have the plain bosch impact and have been very happy with it, 18 volts. They keep adding great tools to that same battery line. New 16 gauge cordless nailer out now too that uses the same battery i might have to try out.

i love all my festoons that i have. but as far as drills go i feel they are a waste of money, plenty of other drills out there just as good for far less money.

which other drill out there can you remove the chuck and replace it with and offset clutch?  which one can you remove the chuck and replace it with a 90 degree chuck?  I have lots of drills and over the last 12 years have probably bought 60+ drills  and yes Bosch has good drills along with makita and Milwaukee.  there impacts are very good drills  but if you look at the over all package you get from festool it is good value for the dollars you spend. 

yes they are on the top of the line price point but for value received I feel that it is a fair price.  just my opinion.

 

[yankee]

only been at this the past 12 years?