Vista SP1 upgrade experience

Ned

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I just finished running the upgrade of Vista to Service Pack 1.  It went smoothly, without any drama.

I was especially pleased that running the upgrade did not tamper with my dual-boot configuration.  GRUB's intact and working as it always has.  Ubuntu was unaffected.

Ned

4/22/2003 Edit:  While the upgrade process went smoothly, the result is unsatisfactory.  Vista 1.0 ran for days without crashing.  There were some known problems (copying many files, for instance) but it did seem to be Microsoft's best work to date.

On my older (July 2003 build) PC, Vista SP1 is trouble.  While many things seem to have been improved, the spontaneous crashing is intolerable.  I am still working on a solution.
 
I just updated to Vista SP1 running 64 bit Vista Ultimate - 8Gb Ram -  E6750 overclocked to 3.46 GHZ.  Totally painless.

Nickao
 
While my SP1 upgrade went smoothly, I now have a problem that did not exist before the upgrade.

I have repeatedly got BSODs, a thing of the past, I thought.  They are always DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILUREs.  Only one has happened in the middle of work, but if I leave the machine on overnight it invariably fails.

I have looked into each and every driver on the machine, including things that are technically drivers (for instance, elements of Acronis Backup).  I have upgraded whenever possible, and disabled some drivers not in use.

As it happens, this is no more than an inconvenience, but I'd be a lot happier if it weren't happening.

Ned
 
Vista is known to have bugs in the power management utilities. The early
versions even drained power out of batteries quite rapidly !!

What about a dual boot system with Linux and the CrossOver utilities
for those few needed Windows application ?

 
In my desktop running Vista, I installed SP1 and started seeing some weird problems that didn't exist before.  When typing an e-mail, the system slows down all of a sudden in the middle of a sentence.  When I shut down the computer, it gives me an error message about the Task Scheduler not working (huh?).  Every time I plug in my camera, Vista tries to install the drivers again (it does the same thing with my thumb drive).  There are a couple of other issues.

On my Kubuntu laptop, everything runs so smoothly!

Oh, if only Linux developers could solve the wireless and driver-compatability issues...I'd drop Windows in a moment.

Matthew
 
Matthew Schenker said:
Oh, if only Linux developers could solve the wireless and driver-compatability issues...I'd drop Windows in a moment.

Unless you have bleeding edge new hardware, I goes quite smoothly.
The thing to do is to select and buy hardware with Linux in mind ....
and to accept not to have the latest high-performance graphics card.
 
I must be the lone wolf in loving Windows Vista(Ultimate).

I make my computers from the ground up which is pretty straightforward today. I have experienced no  problems at all other than many companies do not make drivers for the 64 bit version of Windows Vista. I think buying all my parts with Vista in mind and starting from scratch with a clean, non upgrade, new install may have helped. If any problems arise from SP1, I will note them here.

Nickao
 
I woke up this morning and my system was frozen, never happened before SP1.

A reboot and it was fine. The code reading on the Mother board FF -  which indicates all is well and everything is running, strange. I will look into it and see whats up.

If anyone else has any answers for me let me know. I suspect it was locked into some kind of sleep mode I will start looking there.

Nickao
 
All the Junkie machines are XP...from my office machines to the Front counter POS...to the Home computers...to the company lap-tops...you name it...it is XP Pro.

With that said, I am looking to purchase a new Laptop for graphics and video.  I am an Adobe guy, Photoshop, Premier, Contribute..etc.  I am considering Vista rather than XP.

My question is, do I change over or stay with XP?  I am especially curious as to Premier, and how it functions with Vista...anyone have some advice?  Ned???

Timmy C
 
Timmy you better check out Microsoft web site there is news as to XP. Possibly NO XP available after June 30, 2008. The signs are there, the writing on the wall. Just jump into vista. XP will be dead by 2009 for sure.

People are bitching, but XP has been around since 2001 it will not last  forever.

Nickao

EXCERPT

March 21, 2008 (Computerworld) The approaching death of Windows XP may upset you, but it shouldn't come as a surprise. Microsoft Corp.'s product life-cycle guidelines have foretold the fate of XP since 2001. In fact, Microsoft has been killing off one version of a product as it is replaced with another for years now. But this time around, the approaching demise of XP is getting more attention than, say, the final passing of Windows 2000.

Why? For a couple of reasons: XP is the most widely used operating system on the planet, and its long-delayed successor, Windows Vista, is not proving to be universally popular. The companies that make up the enterprise market for Windows are dragging their feet about upgrading, and on the consumer side there are signs of a rebellion against Vista.

Microsoft has already made changes in its timetables. Last year, the company extended the sales life cycle -- the time during which PC manufacturers and system builders could sell computers with XP installed -- to June 30, 2008. It will stop selling XP altogether on Jan. 31, 2009. And it extended the mainstream support period for XP to April 14, 2009, in an effort to reassure customers made nervous by the long delays in shipping Vista.

The result of all this tweaking is that Microsoft will stop selling XP long before it stops supporting it. You may be able to run XP for as long as you want, but before too long you may not be able to buy a legitimate copy of XP to run.

So will there be any way to get a copy of XP after June 30? If you want to continue using XP, what problems will you face? If you buy a PC with Vista installed and decide you want XP instead, what are your options?

The product life-cycle guidelines

Microsoft's product life-cycle guidelines grew out of two sets of needs: Microsoft's need to make a profit, and its customers' (particularly enterprise customers) needs for some certainty about the products they were committing to.

The policy was an attempt at transparency, a promise that new products would be supported for a definite period and that as they aged Microsoft wouldn't just abandon them. Instead, the company would withdraw support in a series of scheduled steps that corresponded to the pace of technological change, allowing customers time to transition to newer products. (The guidelines apply to all Microsoft products, not just operating systems.)

The problem is that what sounds like a promise to some (particularly enterprise customers) can sound like a threat to others -- particularly consumers. And they're not taking it well.

This incipient consumer rebellion is a relatively new phenomenon, even in the short history of PCs. For most of the '90s, Microsoft couldn't bring out new products fast enough to satisfy customers. Computing technology was exploding, and Windows exploded along with it, from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 to Windows 98 to Windows 98 Second Edition to Windows Millennium Edition. PC sales boomed and Windows users raced to upgrade to the latest version.

But that binge left Microsoft with a huge hangover. As the new decade started, it was supporting a tangle of versions and upgrades. Then the Internet bubble burst and PC sales slowed. New products like Windows ME weren't as well received as the older ones. Microsoft needed to reduce its support liabilities and create a profit plan. The product life-cycle guidelines were the solution.


The three phases of support


First laid out in 2001 and revised in 2002 and 2004, the guidelines defined a three-phase life span and created a division between business desktop software and consumer desktop software. (In the beginning, it was easier to distinguish between business products based on the NT kernel -- like Windows NT and Windows 2000 -- and consumer products that ran on top of DOS, like Windows 98 and ME.)

* Mainstream phase: In the prime of a product's life, Microsoft provides both free and paid live support, support for warranty claims and online self-help support information. Software support and maintenance is extensive and free, with downloadable fixes and updates, service packs and freely available support for problem incidents, as well as requests for design changes and new features. Business customers may pay for additional support.

* Extended phase: Free live support and warranty support end, and free maintenance of consumer products is limited to security fixes. Self-help support information remains available online. Pay-per-incident live support remains available. Software patches and updates continue for business desktop software.

* End of life: Online support information is removed. Patches and updates cease. The product is history.

continued...

XP timeline

June 30, 2008

PC manufacturers stop selling computers with XP installed.


Jan. 31, 2009

Microsoft stops selling XP altogether.



MOST IMPORTANT


April 14, 2009

Mainstream support (free live support and warranty support) ends. Free maintenance is limited to security fixes.


 
I am on my third computer build with Vista, this will be the first with Vista SP1 getting installed clean. This system will rock and I love Vista Aero, its so Purdy!

I will note any problems here with Vista.

Nickao

PS my sons take on it below:

Re: XP Going, Going... Gone?

What a perfect reason to dump Micros*ht and use Linux.
 
nickao said:
I am on my third computer build with Vista, this will be the first with Vista SP1 getting installed clean. This system will rock and I love Vista Aero, its so Purdy!

I will note any problems here with Vista.

Nickao

PS my sons take on it below:

Re: XP Going, Going... Gone?

What a perfect reason to dump Micros*ht and use Linux.

I don't say this to bug you guys but the phrase "product life-cycle" reminded me that I'm using Apple's latest OS on a computer that turned 13 years old this month.
 
You are not pulling that  off with the intel/microsoft products.

Michael that may work for you. But you must have some problems running newer software on that system. Especially games.  Doesnt the new OS hog the system resources?
 
Timmy C said:
All the Junkie machines are XP...from my office machines to the Front counter POS...to the Home computers...to the company lap-tops...you name it...it is XP Pro.

With that said, I am looking to purchase a new Laptop for graphics and video.  I am an Adobe guy, Photoshop, Premier, Contribute..etc.  I am considering Vista rather than XP.

My question is, do I change over or stay with XP?  I am especially curious as to Premier, and how it functions with Vista...anyone have some advice?  Ned???

Timmy C

Tmmy,

If your an adobe guy,  buy a Mac, DAMHIKT

Scott W.

 
Scott W. said:
Timmy C said:
All the Junkie machines are XP...from my office machines to the Front counter POS...to the Home computers...to the company lap-tops...you name it...it is XP Pro.

With that said, I am looking to purchase a new Laptop for graphics and video.  I am an Adobe guy, Photoshop, Premier, Contribute..etc.  I am considering Vista rather than XP.

My question is, do I change over or stay with XP?  I am especially curious as to Premier, and how it functions with Vista...anyone have some advice?  Ned???

Timmy C

Tmmy,

If your an adobe guy,  buy a Mac, DAMHIKT

Scott W.

Dude, that is a toughy for me.  I suppose that is a whole different thread.  Everything we use needs to sync...so-to-speak.  My phone, Point of sale, Outlook, all that...hmmm.  I have always heard that the Mac is good with graphics and such.  I suppose I could break out my Classic II that I used in college.  Perhaps the New Mac OS can be installed on that...lol.  Nothing like a monochrome screen for video.  :o  Dude, are we old or what?

 
Timmy C said:
My question is, do I change over or stay with XP?  I am especially curious as to Premier, and how it functions with Vista...anyone have some advice?  Ned???

First, Nick's probably right that if you're running Windows, it should be Vista.  I'd be more enthusiastic about that if I weren't experiencing daily crashes with SP1 which never happened with Vista Original Flavor.

OTOH, just because Microsoft stops supporting XP doesn't mean your XP machines will cease to work that day.

I think the question why not a Mac is something to think about.  I would unhesitatingly go that way if it weren't for concerns about interworking with the Windows boxen.  Not that it can't work, but you need to look at how they'll all play together before you leap.  You'd probably be happier with a Mac.  At the moment, I'm sure I would be.  ::)

Ned
 
Timmy C said:
..... Dude, are we old or what?

Timmy, my first computer ran CPM! (pre DOS)

At the office, we have Mac's and PC's together on our network and even connected between states over VPN.
I was a computer consultant and programmer in another life. 10 years ago I would have sworn to you I would never own one of those "Toy" Apple machines. now along with the Mac's at work in the studio and prepress dept, I have 5 at my home!
I have a HP laptop with Vista and it is all but unusable to me after using my Mac laptop.
Who would have guessed?

BTW all the new Mac's will run windows also.

Scott W.

 
Scott W. said:
Timmy, my first computer ran CPM! (pre DOS)

Wow!  You had an operating system, Scott?  All I had was a front panel.  And I had to walk to school, 10 miles in the snow...

BTW all the new Mac's will run windows also.

A very good point.  Buy the excellent Mac hardware, run XP today if you have to, you've got plenty of time and the first step toward converting the office completely or mostly to Mac or Linux.

Ned
 
nickao said:
Michael that may work for you. But you must have some problems running newer software on that system. Especially games.  Doesn't the new OS hog the system resources?

There are limitations if not problems. Games wouldn't run well (if at all) but I'm not into that. I bought Adobe Lightroom because Apple's Aperture refused to install (it actually checks the system and tells you it's a no go). The system itself isn't too hard on the old computer but I don't do anything really demanding with it. My wife does the serious stuff on her much newer/better machine.
 
Ned Young said:
A very good point.  Buy the excellent Mac hardware, run XP today if you have to, you've got plenty of time and the first step toward converting the office completely or mostly to Mac or Linux.

Ned

Since you guys are discussing that option already, here is an article that might be interesting.
 
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