Water-borne vs oil for new oak floor?

Jaybolishes said:
Having sanded and redone many many homes with oil base and then tried twice to use water base, I have to say hands down oil base for me is the best.  Water base does not flatten like oil and is much harder to spread and apply with lambs wool.  Oil goes on smoother and water base seems thicker and many unneeded problems arise because of this. In corners you must be careful that the water base isn't thick or it will stay a darker bluish color for a while.  And since the water base doesn't flatten out as well you can find thicker spots that will never harden, it will still be soft to touch many months later and look very ripply and ugly if it's too thick.  My Benjamin more paint salesman told me nothing is harder than oil base, and only advantage of water base is fumes, so that is not enough for me to ever use water base again, applying water base is a nightmare after doing so many in oil.  Also water base is much more expensive.  The oil base seems to darken the wood grain more over time and i really like that.  I have never had any issue with dry time using oil.  I always appy the next coat after 18-24 hours with perfect results.   There are spots on my own floors over  6 months old that are water base which are still not hard,  I hope to sand the ugly ripples out if it ever does. for this guy who's done a lot of flooring, oil base is king by far
Takes skill and experience to use WB on a floor. There are many waterbased finishes out there and each one is very different from the other. I noticed you never mentioned what kind of WB finish you used. Please don't tell me it was Benjamin Moore!
Most people don't like how oil will turn yellow in less than 2 yrs. to each their own though.
Modern day floor guys don't use lambswool for any type of finish especially waterbased.
 
Talk about cool-look what Rubio Monocoat Fume does to pine
http://www.rubiomonocoat.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Rubio-Monocoat-FUME-on-Oak.jpg

Here are some examples of Oil vs water. Both are pine.
Oil-Poloplaz high solids oil based satin
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ecooptions/7380501792/#in/photostream
Waterbased-vermeister 2 coats! satin
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ecooptions/6603889719/#in/set-72157628643827389

In my experience the main difference between the 2 is that the waterbased will not yellow like the Oil. Even the best Oil will turn yellow in a few yrs. On CHerry this is ok but on pine and oak......yuck!
 
To the group, EPICXT started this topic. It might be too late to consider this info. Here in MN, we have  www.peteshardwoodfloors.com (651)698-5888. His site has a lot of info and he recommends Bona  water- based  and different finishes depending on traffic.
 
I milled my own Oak solid wood flooring 33 years ago and finished it with Gym Seal an oil based poly.  It lasted 20-25 years and then it started to deteriorate very rapidly.  I hired a young guy to sand and apply the Bona finish and it looks great after several years.
 
These products seem to be amazing, especially the bona, where the heck can I get all the applicators everyone uses.  I even saw someone using a roller to apply the bona, what! This is great, I hope these things work as well as these videos make them appear and get me away from the stone age techniques.
 
Jay- google search for t bar applicator. We use a duratool t bar knapp.
also get a 3/16 roller and use it and a brush to put down Oil based. You will sh&&6%t
 
doc4som: thanks!  That link is probably the most helpful site I've ran across so far.  I'm looking at either the duraseal or Bona Traffic option now.  Mostly will depend on the look that Mom (aka the Boss) wants... [laughing]
 
Update: We've decided on the Osmo poly-x finish after all. Good call, Peter!
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This is what I've done so far. Will post more pics later.

Off topic: Peter, I just ordered some of those Peter Pegs (Parfait Parf Dogs, darn that auto correct on the mobile). Should be handy.

Edited for gastronomical correctness. ;D
 
epicxt said:
Update: We've decided on the Osmo poly-x finish after all. Good call, Peter!

Off topic: Peter, I just ordered some of those Peter Pegs (Parfait Dogs). Should be handy.

Osmo - good call

Parf Dogs - good move - Let me know how you get on with them.

Peter
 
Applied the first coat of Osmo poly-x yesterday evening and it was dry by morning. Very easy to use, with almost no nasty fumes. :D

Love the look. It brings out the richness of the oak without obscuring the grain under a thick plasticy layer like polyurathane does.
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Got the first coat in the kitchen done none too soon!
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Working on the dining room install now. I'm finding the borders add a lot of time...especially when they have to go around the flush mount heating registers. At least I've got a good pencil! ;D
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