What don't you like about Festool...

Festool have done it right in the US, why not Canada? The current Canadian supplier does nothing for the Festool product which is a shame because there are loads a woodworkers here in Canada willing to pay for quality tooling that would jump at the chance to purchase Festool products given a quality supplier (at comparable prices to US and sales support). Until this happens my only recourse is to purchase from one of the excellent US suppliers, its a pain but worth it.

Wayne
(Ontario, Canada)
 
"It's not a major complaint, and by no means a deal breaker, but in a more perfect world, I guess it'd be nice if Festool powertools accepted more of the blades, bits, and bags that we (Americans) already have lying around. Is it an unreasonable expectation? Yes, kinda like expecting the rest of the world to accept standard versus metric measurements simply because that's how we do it in America. But, again, in a more perfect world..."

My take on the compatability issue (as a European) is that if you stick to Festool accessories- eg sandpaper - as part of the overall 'system' you know that it will all work together and work together well.  Several manufacturers over here have their own unique fittings - a bit like centrotec.  It does lock you into expensive consumables but that way they can guarantee the quality and avoid any guarantee doubts resulting from damage caused by using inferior consumables.

Having said that I have stopped buying Festool jigsaw blades as they told me here that they are not made by Festool, so I buy Bosch ones which are cheaper.  I also don't particularly rate the longevity of their driver bits either - they're better than the many but not IMHO the best.
 
Festool have not invariably made all their offerings in-house, -  some examples have been given on this 'site. However IIRC I thought I read that the Festool supplied jigsaw blades were thicker than the norm and so deflected less.
Regards
 
Whether or not a product such as a jigsaw blade is made in-house is not the determining factor for me.  Few companies make all of their products and components in-house.  The product design features and quality of materials and manufacture are the keys.  I don't own a Festool jigsaw but do have some Festool blades because they offer longer and stiffer (Bosch bayonet style) blades than I have found available from other manufacturers.  I don't think that Festool makes any of their abrasives in-house, but my experience thus far is that their branded products are of excellent quality, even when compared to the major manufacturers of abrasive materials.
 
Bought the 55 series saw and dust collector a few weeks ago.  I am very impressed, but...

1.  Power connection for saw is in a bad place, always in the way. Hose on other side, both go to the vac, makes no sense.
2.  Felt smart buying the little plastic protector thingy for the end of the guiderail, but you have to take it off to slide a clamp on!
3.  45 deg cuts are about 43.5 deg, don't see any adjustment in this.
4.  $180 for a reusable vac bag?  Seems a bit high for cloth

Also bought a 150/5 series sander...

1.  Sander can't stand on its own with hose and cord plugged in, weight of hose has pulled it off bench twice already
2.  Cord for sander won't work with saw (lighter ga), saw cord works with all, why even make the lighter cord?

Overall, mostly little stuff, but amazed at the detail this company goes into and still misses the obvious.
 
Metric!  Why not print inch stuff right alongside it and satisfy everybody?
 
Never thought about the "soft" side of the rail, good point.  Will have to check this out.

Brian
 
Why no drill bits less than 3mm?? Do the Europeans not use #6 screws?

Also, I have the trion jigsaw and a bosch 1591. I held onto the bosch after hearing complaints about the festool but everytime I reach for a jigsaw, I grab the festool. Both could use better visibility at the blade. I have had the festool for about a month so far so things could change but I like the lighter weight and it feels smoother and more controlable to me. Anyone use the trion with the guid rail to make rip cuts in >2" hardwoods? I was thinking of trying this when the TS55 runs out of depth. It would not be very often so I would not mind a slower cut. I just want a clean, straight edge.
 
Why doesn't the MFT table extension fold down? ??? For what it costs, $124, you would think it would have a hinge.
 
Chris Mercado said:
   
    - Trion Jigsaw...  Now this is a gripe.  I know others have talked about how they've learned to use it (Love you Per, but...) but this tool is ridiculous.  Cuts awesome just not always cutting where you want it to cut.  I guess this is an area where it really depends on what you are trying to do.  Christian... I would love to see a video of you or another festool guy trying to cut a toe kick out of a cabinet end panel.  I know you guys in germany don't build'em the way we do here in the states but there has to be times where you might use a  jigsaw to cut a notch, don't you think?  Go ahead and rig that thing up with dust collection, chip prevention and cut me a 4" X 3" notch in a piece of plywood.  It needs to look nice, be a 90 degree notch with no over cut from either line.  After you get over the frustration of lining the saw up to even start the cut let's count how many times you move the saw forwards and backwards to make this simple notch cut.  I do a lot of these on the road so setting up a bandsaw  with a bunch of stops, etc. isn't an option.  I could make a guide template that I clamp to the panel and just hold my saw against but that's not really fair is it.  How about making the saw to where I can use it to cut on a couple of small lines that I've taken my precious time to draw out.  I really do expect to see a reply from you on this Christian. 

Chris...

Hi Chris. I've got a Trion and have been using it to make precise notches in ply. I always use a fence that I attach to the ply to guide the Trion (I don't have a guide rail, but that would be even better). I'm pretty sure it's an effective method; I'm not a woodworker but these are very precise cuts. But obviously this only applies to straight cuts.

If you get more specific about what's not precise enough, maybe I can help, though I suspect I'm
stating the obvious, as everyone here knows way more than I do. Anyway, here's how I do it:

    make sure your saw is calibrated/setup properly: the blade
                *must* be both straight AND centered.
    use a fence/guide.
    know the exact distance from the fence to both the near side and the far side of the cut,
                so you can align the edge of the cut with the desired cutting line. NOTE: these
                measurements will change with each blade type; I do tests with each new blade
                type I use, and record the measurements.
    make sure the blade is vertical when you start the cut, when the support is the least.
    use the no-orbit setting, otherwise it will overcut at the bottom of the cut.
    use the thickest blade possible, with the finest teeth. This will reduce flex in the blade,
                and leave the sharpest edge.

Finally, I don't know much about wood, but the wood you are cutting is a "participant" and
has an effect on the accuracy. The sum total of what I know I print here:

              marine-grade ply == great cuts
              baltic birch == OK cuts
              exterior-grade ply == bad cuts

Good luck!

 
  How about the pads on the 125 sanders?  I have 4 of them in the shop.  For the last 6 months or so, we can't even get through a box of sanding disks before the pad won't hold anymore.  Have been told these are the new pads that are better than the old ones.  Now they are coming out with another new design on these pads.  Just got some in today that we get to test for Festool.  I hope they last better. 
 
Jon3 said:
Metric!  Why not print inch stuff right alongside it and satisfy everybody?

You're right on the money.  That's exactly my thought also.  Someone (McFeely's) should offer stick on decals for this.
 
The labels which show the picture of the tool on Systainers. I remove them immediately, rub dirt into the grain of the box and add labels with titles such as

              Army Photos 1975-1976  Part 1  (followed by as many years as you need)

              Mouse traps and assorted poisons

              Don't open. Fish Hook collection.

              Pat's car catalogues

My Chief of Staff thinks I am a very organised chap and has never opened one of these. If she did I would be in deep poo. She has no idea of the cost of Festools and I am tired of hiding Systainers from her eagle eyes.

Oh and the manuals are as clear as the view from the bottom of a coke bottle.
 
I've yet to be able to successfully do a dry fit with pieces assembled using Dominos. While I can leverage one work piece off a tenon, invariably the other one is so tight in its hole that it's going to stay there. As a result, I find I am not test fitting my pieces prior to gluing. So far, my few cuts with the Domino have been very accurate. But I prefer to be able to dry fit to set up my clamps in prep for gluing. BTW, I am referring to the mortises cut using the precise no-slop setting.
 
Jeff, i have a small box of different size Dominos that i have given a few strokes on some sand paper on both sides just for dry fit ups. Works well  :D
 
Tezzer said:
Jeff, i have a small box of different size Dominos that i have given a few strokes on some sand paper on both sides just for dry fit ups. Works well  :D

T, I'll give that a try. Thanks. My shop is air conditioned (a must here in Florida!), so I don't think I have too much of a problem with humidity swelling the tenons. Plus, I keep them sealed in their plastic bags.
 
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