What Festool Dealers Do You Like? Dislike?

I second Force Machinery on RT 22 in Union New Jersey.  He is very knowledgeable and usually has everything in stock.  He is also one of the few dealers in the area that now has Rockler stuff, big machines and a full repair shop. 
 
I'd done my homework and knew what I wanted so walked out of my local Woodcraft store with my first Festool and a smile on my face.  The smile was because I had a new Festool in my hands, not because the salesman had made me feel good about the purchase. In fact, I knew more than anyone in the store and I hadn't even seen a single Festool in person.  All the sales staff could do was show me a photo copied spec sheet.  One salesman even made a big point to say he couldn't understand why anyone would pay such a ridiculous price for a complicated tool in a fancy plastic case, when they had such good prices on Porter Cable.  I thought surely, this couldn't be indicative of Woodcraft in general so a few weeks later I visited the other Woodcraft here in town.  Boy was I disappointed.  The three salesmen there said that they had been stocking Festool for several months but only one guy there new how they worked and that I'd have to come back next Monday when he'd be there.  That was over a year ago and they still only have one guy that knows anything about Festool and I get the opinion that he'd be a lot happier if the Festool display would just go away.  Despite this experience, and not wanting to wait for UPS, I bought my next Festool from Woodcraft.  These guys are the best anti-sales, sales-force a company could ask for. 

When I found out our local Rockler was stocking Festool I hoped they would raise the sales staff bar and give Woodcraft a little competition.  Silly me!  They know (and care) even less than the guys at Woodcraft. 

Thankfully, I took the recommendations of many of you here at FOG and called Bob Marino.  WOW!  What a breath of fresh air.  He took time to answer all of my questions, never once made me feel like I stupid, and busted his tail to make sure I got my order quickly.  Now, if Bob only sold washers, dryers, TVs and car parts!  I'll still go to Rockler and Woodcraft to "see" Festools but I'll only purchase them from Bob.

As for QWAS posting: " The USA needs more Festool sales to get the corporate attention, and to get our tools stamped in imperial rather than metric." I disagree.  I must admit when I bought my first Festool, I didn't like everything being metric.  I had plenty of high quality measuring devices that were imperial and considered the metric measurements on Festools to be a nuisance.  I eventually lost (actually my wife permanently borrowed) my best tape measure so I found myself with an excuse to go to my local Woodcraft store.  I discovered they were selling a new metric/imperial tape made by FastCap so I decided to try it out.  The more I used it, the more I found out that working in metric was much easer than figuring fractions and using metric measurements in my project plans yielded better accuracy with the finished project.  Now, a little more than a year later, I use metric measurements 80% of the time. In fact, I don't have any problem going back and forth between metric and imperial measurements.  I hope Festool keeps shipping metric tools to the US.  I'd hate to have to revert back to using my calculator for converting fractions. 

For those of you who don't want to use metric measurements because you can't find metric rulers I'd suggest you check GEI International at: http://www.geionline.com/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=4420301&showprevnext=1
They manufacture stainless steel rulers in various lengths and in metric/English.  I've got several of their rules and must say they are much higher quality that anything I've found locally.  I don't understand why local stores that are selling Festool don't make an effort to stock some metric measuring tools.  Don't buy the metric rules that Woodcraft sells.  I purchased two different sets and both were curved, not straight!  The guys at Woodcraft even admitted that they'd gotten several sets back because of this.

 
I was in the Rockler store in Cambridge, MA yesterday and the corner display was impressive, 2 MFT's set up in the middle with a CT33 w/ boom arm.  ....and the manager was very knowledgeable and eager to let me play with the demos.  He told me they are getting 3 more display cabinets.
 
I had good luck at Micheals (Craft Store) in the drafting section. 300mm straight edge was $9.00.
 
I have to give some serious kudos to Timmy C at Festool Junkie. My parents got me a Domino for my birthday, but when I tried to start it, nothing happened. Re-check cord, move switch, give it a "technical tap" or two, nothing. My friend was in my shop helping me build my workbench, and the ovenable pizza just dinged, so I went to get the pizza out of the oven. While I was in the kitchen I heard the Domino come on for about 10 seconds and then go off. That was the only sound the Domino ever made. Apparently my friend was just holding it and looking it over while the switch was in the on position, not fiddling with any switches, dials, or settings, and it turned on in his hands and then back off. Don't worry, since it was plugged in, we were taking precautions in the event that something weird happened like it came on unexpectedly, so no one was hurt, but that is just one for the safety scrapbook!

Anyway, it was kind of a bummer not being able to mortise anything last week because of a dead switch or something in my really nice birthday present. However, today I just received a perfectly functioning Domino, along with some router accessories I ordered on Tuesday. Timmy and Festool took great care of me. When it was discovered that the angle arm router accessory was back-ordered, Timmy scoured the earth for one and is overnighting probably one of the last ones in North America. The best part is that I haven't had to pay a dime for shipping yet. I'm probably seriously eating in to his margin right now (2 overnighted packages and a thorough search for the last remaing 486052) but I'm definitely getting my next fix from Festool Junkie!
 
Nickao,

While I can appreciate your comments regarding S&H, I do feel compelled to point out that our minimum buy for free S&H is $150 and not $199.

 
Ron I like your assorted  screws instead of shipping at any price level. How can you beat that deal? Get that many screws for an additions few bucks. Thanks for the great service you do us....Bru ;D
 
Hi Greg,

A bunch of us would probably say it is far better for the superiority of the Festool products to help those of us in the US to convert to using the metric system than to try to get Festool to remark their tools to fractional inches............

Jerry

greg mann said:
Qwas said:
I would like to bring up another point. The USA needs more Festool sales to get the corporate attention, and to get our tools stamped in imperial rather than metric. .......................... And putting Festool into the hands of the TV woodworkers is helping that exposure also.

I'll bet Tom Silva's OF1400 is metric and it hasn't stopped him. ;D
 
Jerry Work said:
A bunch of us would probably say it is far better ... to convert to using the metric system

Amen.  I am not one who believes that something is better just because it came from outside the USA, but let's face it:  the metric system is easier to use, which translates directly to fewer mistakes and better quality.

Many of us on FOG are over 50 (or 60, or...) but we all had the flexibility and brains to buy those odd but better tools from Germany, so none of us should have more than temporary trouble making the jump to a better measurement system.

The worst thing you can do is try to work in a mixture of measurement systems.

The best thing is to measure the inputs (that space the builtin bookcase is going in, the thickness of sheet goods) in metric and work pure metric after that.

Try it.  Give it two weeks shop time.  Then tell me you want to go back.  :)

Ned

 
Ned Young said:
Jerry Work said:
A bunch of us would probably say it is far better ... to convert to using the metric system
The worst thing you can do is try to work in a mixture of measurement systems.
Ned

Ned,

I don't disagree with your premise, especially that of the ease of working entirely with metric as demonstrated by Jerry Work's descriptions in his MFT and MFS user manuals.  But I view this matter differently in my attempts at woodworking because most of the standard wood products that I buy in USA (except European made Baltic birch plywood) are sized in Imperial units.  So are almost all plans I have ever seen in any of the woodworking magazines sold in USA.  A Fastcap tape or other lineal measuring device with dual units makes short work of conversions when needed.  Most electronic readout dial calipers have built-in conversion circuitry so you can display a measurement in either Imperial or metric, and some even can display in Imperial fractions.  I also think giving some conversion work to my 60+ brain is a good thing.  Festool's use of metric units, and Inca jointer/planer and a few German cars have simply facilitated my use of both systems of measurement.  I still do my drawings in Imperial.  Otherwise my customers ... er ... my family won't have any idea regarding the size of an item.    They would have no idea how tall is a entertainment center at 2133 mm, but they know what 7 ft is.

Dave R.
 
While being 31 probably makes me a youngster around here, I'm going to have to say that I think working in a mixture of units works best for me. I'm starting my shop from scratch, and leaning heavily on plans from others to get me more familiar with how to set things up. While they are almost always imperial, I'll just make a first pass with a calculator to scratch in the metric translations before I begin. Then, I'll use some tools with imperial measurements and some tools (usually with green on them) with metric measurements, and I'll have my measurement in front of me. When I need to figure something, like divide a measure in thirds, I find it much easier to do it with the metric measurement. When I need to estimate something, like how far apart a regularly spaced thing should be, I think better in inches (so far).

I am trying to lessen the number of times I have to do conversions, and I wonder if it is possible to get something like a benchtop tablesaw (like the rigid or bosch that Matthew reviewed) with a metric scale. To link this back to the topic of this thread, I'd like a dealer who could line up tools like that with built in metric scales. It would certainly make good marketing sense for festool dealers to at least carry some of the aforementioned metric conversion aids!
 
i got my tools from Anderson plywood in Culver city and my festool man is Alan Kensley, great guy. i am always there looking at the tools and shooting the breeze.
 
tallgrass said:
i got my tools from Anderson plywood in Culver city and my festool man is Alan Kensley, great guy. i am always there looking at the tools and shooting the breeze.

I loved that place. Where do you live? We lived on Walgrove Ave. in Mar Vista. You ever go to the old tool sales there?
 
Is that the same antique tool place that used to be in Malibu/Santa Monica just off the water and was suddenly gone when I showed up one day?  Where did it go to?
 
No no. Anderson Ply. Washington and Sepulveda? They have an old tool swap in the parking lot 4 times a year. They have a kickass molding shop now too, back under the bridge.
 
I went into Woodcraft this past weekend to drop a entry for $1000.00.  I ended up talking to one of the sales people who was very knowledgeable about Festool products.  I ended up buying a Domino and CT33.  I never had that experience before.  I think he was a true Festool junkie.
 
i live in malibu and if you are in anderson and talk festool i have met you,,,,,i am in there all the time and am kind of the festool guru there even though i do not work there..if only i got a cut of the tools a help them sell...and yes i go to the swap meets just to see steam power guy.
 
Hafele Canada - specifically Sean in Burlington, Ontario.

I'm in Ontario, Canada, and I bought my first tool (Domino) through AceToolsOnline, based on price.  I had thoroughly researched the tool though, and knew what I wanted.  Ace was good service and price, however after paying the shipping, duty and taxes, I didn't save anything over buying from Hafele.

Since then, I've been fueling my Festool addiction with Hafele.  I have to admit that it took a couple of phone calls initially to determine who was the knowledgeable Festool sales person at Hafele, but since then I've had great service.  I've bought an inordinate amount of Festool tools and accessories in the last 4 months.

There was an issue with one order that was resolved immediately.  A quick email to Sean in Hafele's  Burlington office, and he expedited the replacement to me immediately, and I had it on the jobsite the next day.  Great service!  Fair prices (As far as Festool products go!) and Free shipping if you use the ground service.

 
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